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Won't Start

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I would think as long as they're not cracked or in several pieces ya can re-use em.
At least I know I would..
 
It is your money and it is your bike. But you have the carbs off and the parts in your hand. It would take 0 extra minutes to put new gaskets on at this time. If you reuse gaskets from carbs that looked like that and they leak, then you have to go through all the hassle of pulling them again to replace the gaskets. Is it worth $8 to risk that? Up to you, it is your bike. I tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to something like that, but that is just me.
 
I went ahead and bought the gaskets via ebay. Better to have new ones just in case the other bowls are bad.


I pulled the float bowl out of the carb dip, it still looks pretty bad. I used degreaser on it before dipping. It dipped for like 22 hours. Is there a special way you guys are degreasing your stuff before dipping?
 
Post a picture of how bad it looks. I clean mine with a tooth brush and parafin inside the bowls only! Amazing how much elbow grease shifts.
 
GS650E_81 said:
I went ahead and bought the gaskets via ebay. Better to have new ones just in case the other bowls are bad.


I pulled the float bowl out of the carb dip, it still looks pretty bad. I used degreaser on it before dipping. It dipped for like 22 hours. Is there a special way you guys are degreasing your stuff before dipping?
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Hooray for new gaskets- I didn't think you'd be looking forward to pulling the carbs again!
I just cleaned my honda carb and it had some bowl stain/residue- no big deal, so I just ignored it.
 
GS650E_81 said:
I went ahead and bought the gaskets via ebay. Better to have new ones just in case the other bowls are bad.


I pulled the float bowl out of the carb dip, it still looks pretty bad. I used degreaser on it before dipping. It dipped for like 22 hours. Is there a special way you guys are degreasing your stuff before dipping?
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Are you using Berrymans?
I've never had a reason to clean carb parts before dipping.
Now, if it's caked on ya might wanna scrub with some hot soapy water. If it really really bad would it be out of the question to use some paint thinner?
I'm asking..
I've soaked caliper and master cylinder parts in thinner before soaking em in Berrymans. Cant see why it might hurt a carb bowl.
Anyone?
 
Persistence overcomes resistance. Keep at it until the inside looks as clean as the outside. It is an unfortunate case, but your carbs were in really bad shape to start. Please persist in the cleaning of the first carb until it is suitable. Then you will know what it takes to get the other 3 up to snuff.
 
This is starting to become a real pain in my ass. While waiting for the float bowl gaskets and carb 1 pilot jet to arrive, I decided to start breaking down carb 2.

Well, I get to the pilot jet once again...load it up with pbblaster, let it sit for an hour. Bring it to the local hardware store and find a few different flat heads, stuck one in that fits perfect, make a turn...bang, strips it immediately! So now I have to get it out again, and order another pilot jet.

GREAT start to a weekend. :eek:
 
GS650E_81 said:
This is starting to become a real pain in my ass. While waiting for the float bowl gaskets and carb 1 pilot jet to arrive, I decided to start breaking down carb 2.

Well, I get to the pilot jet once again...load it up with pbblaster, let it sit for an hour. Bring it to the local hardware store and find a few different flat heads, stuck one in that fits perfect, make a turn...bang, strips it immediately! So now I have to get it out again, and order another pilot jet.

GREAT start to a weekend. :eek:
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I strongly recommend heat soak after pb soak- different expansion rates can help break grip. Without belaboring things, it's the tip of screwdriver that has to fit well, feel free to grind shaft down so the full size tip can fully contact jet head.
 
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tom203 said:
I strongly recommend heat soak after pb soak- different expansion rates can help break grip. Without belaboring things, it's the tip of screwdriver that has to fit well, feel free to grind shaft down so the full size tip can fully contact jet head.
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I am very new to this, not sure what you mean by grind shaft down...If you mean grind flat head down...what do I use to do that?

On another note... I had a few beers tonight, had a go at the carb intake boots....good god! I had to pull the dremel out and grind down one screw on the inner boot, I will have to on the other as well more than likely... but I actually got some frustration out grinding the screw down... granted I will have to more than likely buy at least one new intake boot, but I had a good time. I actually laughed at myself! I am glad I picked up the new intake o rings and fasteners!

But yeah, it looks like the PO didn't do anything to this bike..
 
Typically, screwdrivers are made with the blade tip narrower than the rest of blade. You need a blade tip that just fits inside that tunnel down to jet- this gives maximum contact with pilot head slot. So you have to grind down the rest of blade (and shaft) that interfers with this action. A while back, I recall someone just going to Lowes or somewhere with a carb in hand and finding a perfect fit screwdriver- maybe someone else will recall, but I'm useless at searches here.
 
tom203 said:
Typically, screwdrivers are made with the blade tip narrower than the rest of blade. You need a blade tip that just fits inside that tunnel down to jet- this gives maximum contact with pilot head slot. So you have to grind down the rest of blade (and shaft) that interfers with this action. A while back, I recall someone just going to Lowes or somewhere with a carb in hand and finding a perfect fit screwdriver- maybe someone else will recall, but I'm useless at searches here.
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I went to mccabe do it center, they have a good selection of screwdrivers. The one I tried fit perfect, I turned the driver and I heard it turn a little then it slipped and destroyed the head. Not sure if it was to much pb blaster or just a 30 year old part, but it seems like the head just deteriorated.
 
GS650E_81 said:
But yeah, it looks like the PO didn't do anything to this bike..
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You are probably lucky.
Neglect is easier to fix than stupidity.
Some POs o amazingly stupid things.
I'll take doing nothing to hurt it over doing stupid things to it for stupid reasons any day.
 
GS650E_81 said:
On another note... I had a few beers tonight, had a go at the carb intake boots....good god! I had to pull the dremel out and grind down one screw on the inner boot, I will have to on the other as well more than likely... but I actually got some frustration out grinding the screw down... granted I will have to more than likely buy at least one new intake boot, but I had a good time. I actually laughed at myself! I am glad I picked up the new intake o rings and fasteners!
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Did you try the hand impact driver and a bunch of extensions?
 
tkent02 said:
Did you try the hand impact driver and a bunch of extensions?
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There is no way I could fit an extension on the impact driver and strike it with a hammer, this was NO room to swing a hammer with the stock impact driver tip.

I did plug the intake, but forgot on one, it got some residue in it, will it be okay?

I went ahead and picked up new intake boots and clamps from gssuzuki.com, I knicked the boots pretty bad with the dremel...beer, lol. Good thing it's tax return time :lol:
 
GS650E_81 said:
There is no way I could fit an extension on the impact driver and strike it with a hammer, this was NO room to swing a hammer with the stock impact driver tip.

I did plug the intake, but forgot on one, it got some residue in it, will it be okay?

I went ahead and picked up new intake boots and clamps from gssuzuki.com, I knicked the boots pretty bad with the dremel...beer, lol. Good thing it's tax return time :lol:
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Use vacuum and magnet asap.Even in cramped spots, I can usually get my 5 inch long genuine Vice-grip "end on" on a screw head like this. The crushing action of jaws will break the screw head to engine head seal- then you can use another wrench on the vice-grip to complete attack.
 
I just put carb 4 into the dip.. I am waiting for a pilot screw for carb 2, and the intake boots to arrive.

On carb 4 though, the pilot screw is missing the spring! Is it imperative that I replace that? I was just curious.

It seems carb 1 and 4 are the worst.
 
GS650E_81 said:
On carb 4 though, the pilot screw is missing the spring! Is it imperative that I replace that? I was just curious.

It seems carb 1 and 4 are the worst.
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The spring "holds" the idle/air mixture screw at the spot you've chosen- you don't want it to change as you go riding around, Right? You sure the spring/washer is just not stuck in hole?
 
The washer is out, looks rough though. The rubber o ring was split. The cavity is empty, I put a screw driver down the cavity, and moved around, nothing. I just dipped the carb, if it's in there it may come out now.
 
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