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1981 GSX1100 Katana Based Project

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Hi Folks, hhhuuuummmm, a Katana based project eh, what is that exactly? O.K. let's go. First thing is I am in Australia so this project is all about the Oz flavored version of the 1100 Katana.I have owned and ridden the glorious 1100 Katana since they were released in Australia in 1981 with my current (2nd) 1100 Kat having been my ride for the last 37 years. This Kat was BOTM back in Nov 2011.

I love the Kat and everything about it, until recently! Injuries and wear and tear on the body over the years have finally caught up with me and the 232 Kg dry weight of the Kat is becoming a not so enjoyable aspect of the riding experience these days. How to own a Kat and keep smiling without popping a lower back disc when its time to push it around in the shed or when out and about? Make her lighter, and me as well while Iam at it.

I have spent a bit of time thinking about how to go about shaving 50 kg from the Kat and still have her look like a Kat (you may have to squint a little bit when up close.) and not a highly modified custom machine. So I am at the beginning of the build and will start to post pics and info about the project soon.

What is a project without a name? The name for this build is DW180. As my current Kat is a stock survivor 1100 Kat, that will not be the donor or contribute in anyway to DW180. To kick off the project in April 2021 I had an Oz 1981 1100 Kat frame, it started with just the frame and nothing else. Since April 2021 I have been planning and tracking down parts and now it's time to begin bolting the project together. Some ground rules I set for myself for the DW180:

No radical angle grinder or hacksaw surgery, trimming and shaving sure, but nothing along the lines of cutting off the rear foot peg mounts or the centre stand lugs.

Must retain stock indicators and clocks and genuine Suzuki mirrors.

Suzuki wheels, not the stock 19" front 17" rear snowflake. DW180 wheels will be cast ally 1985 GSXR 750 18" front and 18" rear. These are slightly lighter cast wheels compared to the snowflake Kat wheels and being Suzuki they look right. Being a tubeless rim, lighter radial tyres (and deleting the inner tubes) can be fitted to replace the tradition bias type heavier Speed Demon rubber that quite a few Kats are shod with.

There will be changes that are not visible like aluminium axle and bearing spacers and titanium bolts as well as the very visible stuff like 520 chain/sprocket set up, carbon chain guard, hollow axles and pivot bolt, hollow chromemoly clip-ons with aluminium bar weights, lithium battery and various Suzuki parts like the RG500 aluminium gear selector. Titanium pipes and muffler with aluminium flange clamps and Ti bolts.

Replacing the side covers, seat and ducktail with a one piece solo seat unit made of fibreglass, no need to buy a seat, ducktail or expensive side covers.

The stand out non Kat part of the build will be the engine, the power plant will be a 1985 GSX 1135 EF engine, 3.2 kg lighter than a GSX1100 stock engine with 14 extra horses, win,win!

I don't have a workshop just a shed and the budget is pretty thin so parts are mostly used Suzi with a few hand made parts here and there as well as plenty of filing to reshape parts. Trying not to go the "drill it to Swiss cheese path" where I can. Some drilling but not everywhere as pics will show.

The frame has been painted and so it all begins very soon.

The disclaimer. This project is exactly that, a personal project and all information, photos and details presented here are for my personal interest as a hobby. Everything associated with this project and presented here is for entertainment purposes only and not a guide or endorsement in any way of using and modifying a motorcycle or motorcycle parts. Any aftermarket parts, modification or fabrication of parts and the installation and use of any and all parts have not been tested or approved for use on a motorcycle on a public or private road, place or venue of any kind. My project, my risk.

Cheers,
 
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That's a lot of weight to shave. Good luck.

Hi Rob, yes, 50 kg is a lot to drop from a start weight of 232kg however, I think it is a realistic goal. 50 kg is the initial goal because once she is up and running there will be some fine tuning that can be done and I am sure another kg or maybe 2 could be removed and get the weight under 178 kg dry. 178 kg dry would make it lighter than the original 1985 Suzuki GSXR 750.

Cheers,
Glen.
 
losing 50 kg without radical angle grinder or hacksaw surgery ?
This will be interesting ...
 
Yeah, my mind was processing 50lbs, but 50KG is another story.

Hi Big Block, yeah 50 kg is a fair bit to lose and still have the end result look like a pretty stock Kat, from a few metres away. The low hanging fruit is the easy stuff:

factory 4-2 system = 18kg
YB14LA2 lead acid battery and OEM cradle = 5.1 kg
snowflake wheels and bias tyres
630 chain
OEM rear sprocket 1,752 g
solid steel OEM axles/pivot bolt
OEM steel bearing spacers
rear OEM brake disc = 2,170 g
OEM screen,brackets and bolts.

From here on it is all about the small amounts and where to remove, modify or replace parts.

An example of replacing an OEM part is the rear brake disc, OEM = 2,170 g being replaced with a disc that weighs 550 g.

Cheers.
 
Hey Glen,

I would say you would need really drastic measures to reach 50KG.
From your answer to Big Block i see you already started to compile a list, curious how far that will take you.
My guess is you need some very radical grinding and lots of use of light tubing, aluminium, etc.
Carbon wheels and other parts.
And very deep pockets ....

Like i said, really interesting.
Maybe complete the weight savings list before you start shaving off small parts ?
Would be a shame to discover during the project the goal is too hard/expensive to reach...
 
I'd think about getting off as much unnecessary weight. Getting Titanium axles will not save you enough weight for the cost. 4 into 1 exhausts can save a lot of weight, but how much can you really take off? Without the proper tooling and workspace, it will be really hard to do the job right. Go for the obvious stuff first. Personally, I would never trust any aluminum axle. Side covers don't weigh much. The money spent on working the fiberglass could be spent elsewhere. I'd plan this carefully. That's kind of an unrealistic wight goal to remove, IMHO, but you can make the bike handle better, and remove weight. Better handling will trump hacking the bike apart. :)
 
I'd think about getting off as much unnecessary weight. Getting Titanium axles will not save you enough weight for the cost. 4 into 1 exhausts can save a lot of weight, but how much can you really take off? Without the proper tooling and workspace, it will be really hard to do the job right. Go for the obvious stuff first. Personally, I would never trust any aluminum axle. Side covers don't weigh much. The money spent on working the fiberglass could be spent elsewhere. I'd plan this carefully. That's kind of an unrealistic wight goal to remove, IMHO, but you can make the bike handle better, and remove weight. Better handling will trump hacking the bike apart. :)

Hi Suzukian, I agree with you about "unnecessary weight removal" I could lose another 10 kg myself! The frame has had some trimming to lugs and things like halving the weight of the rear brake res mount.The easy thing would be to cut off the rear foot peg mounts but there is no way I can mutilate a Kat frame so to remove weight it will involve planning and much thought. With the mods to the frame only 920 g was removed.

Regarding axles, I will be using OEM GSXR 750 hollow axles and pivot bolt with Ti nuts, cotton reel profile aluminium pivot bolt bearing spacer. Titanium has a lower fatigue cycle than steel or moly and is not suitable for street use axles, track sure, but not street use. And yes you are correct about the cost, very expensive! Aluminium axles - never!

As I mentioned earlier this project has been a few years in the planning and now with all the parts finally in the shed the real headaches start. Cost is also a consideration. To buy Kat side covers, seat and ducktail here in Oz would cost AUD $1,500 if bought new from Suzuki. Even used Kat parts are expensive these days. To buy the fibreglass race seat unit was AUD $360 and lighter, so money and weight saved.

Each original Kat OEM part is weighed. If an original part is to be modified a spare one is used and weighed after the mod. Replacement parts like the GSXR 750 wheels and tyes are weighed. The rear wheel fitted with replacement parts is now 7kg lighter than the OEM Snowflake wheel. How was that done? With these parts:

1985 GSXR 750 wheel 18' x 3.50. This wheel is lighter having three bearings and not the five bearings as fitted to the 1986 GSXR 1100 18' x 4.00 wheel.
Radial tyre, no inner tube fitted which weighs 720 grams.
Hollow axle and Ti nut
Aluminium wheel spacers
Aluminium bearing spacer
Aftermarket brake rotor with Ti bolts
GS500 sprocket carrier with Ti nuts and bolts
Aluminium chain adjusters with Ti bolts
Aluminium 520 sprocket with Ti nuts and bolts

The two best reduction in weight results were the pipes and battery.

OEM 4-2 system = 18kg Ti 4-1 complete system = 4.125 kg

OEM lead acid battery and OEM cradle = 5.1 kg Lithium battery and aluminium cradle = 1.1 kg

Swing arm, sprocket cover, oil filter cover, triple tree, gear and rear brake lever, screen and brackets and the electric panel plate have all been reduced in weight in most cases by 30% for each part.

Current hand grips = 112g each. I found aftermarket grips that weigh only 19 grams each. Oil gallery plugs, there are eight including the sump plug and these weigh 29 grams each. Replaced with aluminium plugs that weigh 5.6 grams each.

At this stage there is close to 43 kg that has been removed so far when comparing OEM parts to the DW180 parts, so far so good.

Cheers
 
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Hey, you've got a plan. Sounds like even if you don't make your target weight, you're going to have one really nice bike. I knocked 45 lbs. off my Kawasaki ZZR1200 just by removing the catalytic converters and making my own mufflers with ceramic weave around the baffles, and "Radiant" exhaust tips on the stock pipes. That makes that bike only 30 lbs. heavier than my '83 GS750ES". You have a great sound plan, and I have seen you guys down under make some fantastic bikes and cars. Thumbs up!

:)

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Hey Glen,

I would say you would need really drastic measures to reach 50KG.
From your answer to Big Block i see you already started to compile a list, curious how far that will take you.
My guess is you need some very radical grinding and lots of use of light tubing, aluminium, etc.
Carbon wheels and other parts.
And very deep pockets ....

Like i said, really interesting.
Maybe complete the weight savings list before you start shaving off small parts ?
Would be a shame to discover during the project the goal is too hard/expensive to reach...

Hi Rijko, Yes, aluminium, carbon, titanium and chrome-moly is being used however, none of those sexy things will be replacing frame rails or tubes except for the aluminium sidestand and aluminium cowl sub-frame. The frame will stay almost stock with only lugs being trimmed nothing cut off so it could be returned to a stock Kat.

I looked into BST carbon wheels however, there were issues to consider and the numbers didn't add up, cost and weight.

Cost vs weight. A buddy has a set of BST carbon wheels on his Kat and they are lighter compared to cast ally wheels, but only when comparing the bare BST to the bare ally wheel.

The carbon wheels gain weight once the sprocket carrier, bearings and rotor plates are added and then the big one arrives, the tyres. Once the tyres are fitted to the carbon wheels they are heavier than the 18 x 110 and 18 x 140 radials fitted to the GSXR 750 wheels, it is the amount of rubber for the larger tyres fitted to the carbon wheels that bump the total weight up. The advantage of carbon wheels even when the total mass is the same as cast ally wheels is the mass of the carbon wheel is concentrated at the centre of the wheel and are lighter at the rim, the best place to reduce weight on a wheel.

For this project skinny tyres are the better option to reduce rotating mass and improve handling for a sport/touring Kat that would not see track use.

The cost of carbon wheels in Australia would have been around AUD $7,000 plus tyres.

Used GSXR 750 wheels were AUD $300 for the pair plus AUD $390 for both Bridgestone T32 tyres fitted, bike shop here does not charge to fit tyres if you buy the tyre from the bike shop.

The hard work is done, spending two years sourcing parts from around the planet during COVID was no fun at all. I didn't want to start the build until I had everything ready to roll and accounted for. Finding a GSX 1135 EF for the engine was the most difficult and time consuming thing to sort out. The EFFY engine is still a popular item around here and they don't turn up for sale to often so you have to be quick when an engine or a complete EFFY pops up, blink and you miss out!

Cheers,

Glen.
 
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Hi Rijko, Yes, aluminium, carbon, titanium and chrome-moly is being used however, none of those sexy things will be replacing frame rails or tubes except for the aluminium sidestand and aluminium cowl sub-frame. The frame will stay almost stock with only lugs being trimmed nothing cut off so it could be returned to a stock Kat.

I looked into BST carbon wheels however, there were issues to consider and the numbers didn't add up, cost and weight.

Cost vs weight. A buddy has a set of BST carbon wheels on his Kat and they are lighter compared to cast ally wheels, but only when comparing the bare BST to the bare ally wheel.

The carbon wheels gain weight once the sprocket carrier, bearings and rotor plates are added and then the big one arrives, the tyres. Once the tyres are fitted to the carbon wheels they are heavier than the 18 x 110 and 18 x 140 radials fitted to the GSXR 750 wheels, it is the amount of rubber for the larger tyres fitted to the carbon wheels that bump the total weight up. The advantage of carbon wheels even when the total mass is the same as cast ally wheels is the mass of the carbon wheel is concentrated at the centre of the wheel and are lighter at the rim, the best place to reduce weight on a wheel.

For this project skinny tyres are the better option to reduce rotating mass and improve handling for a sport/touring Kat that would not see track use.

The cost of carbon wheels in Australia would have been around AUD $7,000 plus tyres.

Used GSXR 750 wheels were AUD $300 for the pair plus AUD $390 for both Bridgestone T32 tyres fitted, bike shop here does not charge to fit tyres if you buy the tyre from the bike shop.

The hard work is done, spending two years sourcing parts from around the planet during COVID was no fun at all. I didn't want to start the build until I had everything ready to roll and accounted for. Finding a GSX 1135 EF for the engine was the most difficult and time consuming thing to sort out. The EFFY engine is still a popular item around here and they don't turn up for sale to often so you have to be quick when an engine or a complete EFFY pops up, blink and you miss out!

Cheers,

Glen.

You put a LOT of thinking into this, and are up to 43 KG already .... geee .... respect Glen,
i look forward to the rest of your build.

Interested in the modifications needed and dimensions, i have a project coming for a GS1000 special, have a
Kat front fork for it and a GSX1100E swingarm for it already.

Do the 1985 GSXR-750 18' wheels fit in the original front fork / swingarm ?
Many modifications needed ?
Chain alignment ?

7KG weight off the rear wheel is a lot, what's the weight saving on the front ?
 
You put a LOT of thinking into this, and are up to 43 KG already .... geee .... respect Glen,
i look forward to the rest of your build.

Interested in the modifications needed and dimensions, i have a project coming for a GS1000 special, have a
Kat front fork for it and a GSX1100E swingarm for it already.

Do the 1985 GSXR-750 18' wheels fit in the original front fork / swingarm ?
Many modifications needed ?
Chain alignment ?

7KG weight off the rear wheel is a lot, what's the weight saving on the front ?

Hi Rijko, thank you for your kind words, much appreciated.

A stock 1985 GSXR750 18" rear wheel will fit a GS1000E swingarm after swapping the 1985 GSXR 750 sprocket carrier for a GS500 sprocket carrier. You will need to make axle spacers to suit the GS500 sprocket carrier. You may need to run with an off-set front sprocket as well?

A stock 1985 GSXR750 18" front wheel does not fit in a Kat front end, the hub is much to wide. I took the Suzuki Kat cast front wheel and the Slabbie front wheel to an engineering outfit and they turned the Slabbie wheel hub down to match the Kat hub - problem solved almost. I want to use the original Kat speedo drive so I had to make the two speedo drive keyway in the newly machined Slabbie wheel. Aluminium is easy to work with if you use a very sharp Bahco wood chisel.

1985 Slabbie front and rear wheels use the same size axle as the 1981 Katana, using 1985 Slabbie hollow axles for the DW180. I had the Slabbie front wheel machined to accept standard Kat bearings.

I have not fitted the rear wheel to the frame yet so I can't tell you how much off-set is needed or rear axle spacer size. DW 180 rear wheel spacers may be different to your build as I am using an EFE engine compared to your GS1000 engine. Currently waiting for the engine paint to fully cure before installing it in the frame. Once the engine is in I'll be seeing the local engineering crew to make aluminium spacers to suit and then let you know what was done.

1985 GSXR 18" front wheel after lathe work to fit Kat forks and fitted with a Bridgestone Radial T32 18 x 110 tyre, hollow axle/Ti nut, aluminium wheels spacers, aluminium bearing spacer, both brake rotors with Ti bolts and the speedo drive, total weight is: 12,770 grams

Chain size can also influence off-set, I am going with 520 chain to reduce weight and rotating mass.

Cheers,

Glen.
 
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