The weather here has been total errr, rain, since last weekend and forecast is for rain everyday for the next week! No test riding and all quite here for another week at least.
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1981 GSX1100 Katana Based Project
- Thread starter Shin-Ken 1074
- Start date
Coming back to the DW versus Curb weight quoted by Suzuki, I believe all Japanese manufacturers in the 80's quoted the DW without any liquid on board i.e; not only fuel but also oil and coolant if any.
This explains the difference between the two measures.
A marketing gimmick as when KTM annouces ready to ride weights with very little fuel in the tank...
This explains the difference between the two measures.
A marketing gimmick as when KTM annouces ready to ride weights with very little fuel in the tank...
Yeah, the factory stated weights can seem a bit rubbery at times.
Time to choose an oil cooler from the spares pile.
Oil cooler 1 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
The lightest cooler from the pile is a transmission oil cooler so that will be the 1st cab off the rank. Temp gauge will show how effective it is.
Oil cooler 2 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Making the lower bracket for the oil cooler from some scrap ally square section.
Oil cooler 3 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 4 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
After the lower bracket is installed and the cooler fitted I'll be able to work out the top bracket.
Oil cooler 1 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrThe lightest cooler from the pile is a transmission oil cooler so that will be the 1st cab off the rank. Temp gauge will show how effective it is.
Oil cooler 2 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrMaking the lower bracket for the oil cooler from some scrap ally square section.
Oil cooler 3 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 4 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrAfter the lower bracket is installed and the cooler fitted I'll be able to work out the top bracket.
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Drilling and filing, filing, and more filing......................
Oil cooler 5 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 7 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 9 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 10 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 5 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 7 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 9 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 10 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
The cooler needed some work with a flaring tool to sort out the hardlines, good to go now. Cooler position doesn't foul on brake lines, speedo cable or steering lock to lock. So far so good.
Oil cooler 8 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 11 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
I wanted a decent sized gap between the cooler and frame to allow unrestricted air flow. The OEM cooler bracket is more of a plate than a bracket and its positioned very close to the cooler with not much of a gap to bleed away heat so the OEM bracket is out and in with the DIY aluminium bracket.
Oil cooler 13 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Cooler sits neatly within the body panels and in the air-stream between the forks.
Oil cooler 12 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 8 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 11 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrI wanted a decent sized gap between the cooler and frame to allow unrestricted air flow. The OEM cooler bracket is more of a plate than a bracket and its positioned very close to the cooler with not much of a gap to bleed away heat so the OEM bracket is out and in with the DIY aluminium bracket.
Oil cooler 13 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrCooler sits neatly within the body panels and in the air-stream between the forks.
Oil cooler 12 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
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The plan is later today to drop the engine oil and install the hardware for the oil cooler including the all important EF oil filter cover used when running an oil cooler. Haven't weighed the cooler parts yet, adding weight is no fun!
Oil cooler 14 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 15 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 14 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 15 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Remind us please what engine you're running. 1074 is in your name, but for some reason I thought you were working with an 1135 (which came with a cooler so naturally also the proper oil filter cover).
I'm sure I wouldn't be so confused if you weren't living in that 'other' hemisphere. Is it true your toilets flush backwards? :stupid:
I'm sure I wouldn't be so confused if you weren't living in that 'other' hemisphere. Is it true your toilets flush backwards? :stupid:
The build has the 1135 EF engine installed. I removed the oil cooler to record engine oil temps while test riding and although the oil temps without the cooler are below the range Suzuki state for operation of an air-cooled GS I am fitting a cooler to check the temp difference.
I'm sure I wouldn't be so confused if you weren't living in that 'other' hemisphere. Is it true your toilets flush backwards?
Yeah, nar, ours flush the correct way, it's the shonky Northern systems that are suss.
Yeah, nar, ours flush the correct way, it's the shonky Northern systems that are suss.
Yep, it did. In the test riding phase I wanted to monitor engine oil temps without the oil cooler fitted to check the temp range so a stock GSX non cooler type oil filter cover was installed during the current test riding. Ditching the oil cooler saves weight and that is the goal of the project. The engine oil temp in riding conditions without a cooler at is time of year is below the max engine oil temp as stated by Suzuki for a GS air-cooled engine so it doesn't need the cooler right now. However, Summer riding here will be much hotter and high humidity so Iam fitting a cooler to test by how much the cooler reduces the engine oil temp.
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Installed the cooler today, adding weight is not my idea of a good thing but for testing it has to be done. The total weight of cooler and hardware came in at 864 grams so the running tally needs an adjustment. I will off-set the weight of any additional parts that are bolted on by reducing the fuel load. One litre of fuel = 767 grams. Once I find out how thirsty the DW is I can work out how much fuel I can off-load. Aiming for a ride weight of 198 kg for the Kat.
Oil cooler 16 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 17 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Running tally = 182,441 grams.
Oil cooler 16 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 17 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrRunning tally = 182,441 grams.
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Thanks Lorenzo, yeah, it turned out pretty good.
You are correct about the weight Diirk, bit of a downer. The cooler bracket looks O.K. just a pity the cooler itself is not as good looking right now. Just went for a test ride to the end of the street and number 1 header looked like there was a BBQ going on down there, a nice smoked brisket BBQ! The cooler has a split in the lower plate so no joy there. Will sort through the other coolers and find one that keeps the oil on the inside.
Oil cooler 19 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 18 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Oil cooler 19 by Max Mutarn, on FlickrOil cooler 18 by Max Mutarn, on Flickr
Cooler and hardware have been removed, pipes and block have been cleaned and non-cooler hardware installed. So it's Plan B and another cooler, the bad news is the next cooler will be heavier than the first cooler. The good news is the DW is 864 grams lighter without the cooler right now.
Running tally = 181,595 grams.
Running tally = 181,595 grams.
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I guess the silver lining is that it happened on a short, low speed test ride.
Obviously that could have been ugly.
Obviously that could have been ugly.
My rule is whenever working with coolant or oil always do the first test at low speed and around the block a few times to check everything. If there is a problem and it can't be ridden, pushing the bike back home is no drama compared to what may happen if you just get out there and fang it from the get go and it all goes pear shaped at high speed, like oil on the rear tyre if I had kept riding with the leak.
