A new and controversial? oil thread....hmm

[loud et]

So I had taken my cylinders to this machine shop to measure the bore and we got to talkin about engines and pistons and oil. In the end he tried to sell me some (lets just call it ) :twistedevil:JIMMYZ SUPER THUNDER POWER OIL!:twistedevil:....whatever the stuff was , it was 10$ a quart and I kindly declined the ridiculously named oil and all its MEGA performance claims,whatever it was called, and told him how many suggest to use Rotella for these old bikes because of the zinc or sulpher or whatever it was....he said that is great and that is true......BUT, he says that because of the newer regulations even diesel trucks are using more cat converters and other additional emissions equip and that the zinc or other additives that in recent years have been in the product in high ppm's have been reduced to the point where its not the same product it used to be. Says the beneficial additives are less than half of the old formula.
Is this a case of "OMG, we are all using worthless oil !!!!"
or just " Yeah, they may have reduced the amount of additives but its still better than conventional oil"
-- Is Rotella still one of the the best overall options or has it changed that much recently and we are not aware of it?

 

[KDS111]

Rotella 15-40 is all I have ever used in all my bikes.
It has not let me down yet.

 

[old_skool]

So I had taken my cylinders to this machine shop to measure the bore and we got to talkin about engines and pistons and oil. In the end he tried to sell me some (lets just call it ) :twistedevil:JIMMYZ SUPER THUNDER POWER OIL!:twistedevil:....whatever the stuff was , it was 10$ a quart and I kindly declined the ridiculously named oil and all its MEGA performance claims,whatever it was called, and told him how many suggest to use Rotella for these old bikes because of the zinc or sulpher or whatever it was....he said that is great and that is true......BUT, he says that because of the newer regulations even diesel trucks are using more cat converters and other additional emissions equip and that the zinc or other additives that in recent years have been in the product in high ppm's have been reduced to the point where its not the same product it used to be. Says the beneficial additives are less than half of the old formula.
Is this a case of "OMG, we are all using worthless oil !!!!"
or just " Yeah, they may have reduced the amount of additives but its still better than conventional oil"
-- Is Rotella still one of the the best overall options or has it changed that much recently and we are not aware of it?

He's just another snake oil salesman, get your bike/parts outta there.

 

[Stahlgrau333]

He's just another snake oil salesman, get your bike/parts outta there.

:clap: What ^^^ he said.

 

[tkent02]

 

[sachsaca]

I have heard that of Rotella also But. I read the article that is posted on here about oils, synthetic vs dinosour oils. I feel very confident in the Rotella oils for our bikes after reading that article. And too many GS'ers use the Rotella and have had great success with it. I started using the Rotella and the light chatter went away and I hear a smoothness.

 

[koolaid_kid]

New diesels do not have extra cats. What they have is a separate urea tank and a separate chamber to burn all the ash out of the system. Less efficient and a silly law since diesel ash does not harm anything.

 

[1_v8_merc]

Well part of it is true...diesels are getting very tight emission regulations now.
Seems like they are passing more every couple months.(especially in california)

 

[JEEPRUSTY]

Snake oil is derived from Seneca Oil something that seeped into the Seneca rivier in PA years ago.

Real petroleum sold as medicine.

YUP!

 

[koolaid_kid]

If you have ever been to L.A. you would understand why. The smog just hangs there in between the mountains, quite visible even in bright sunlight. Diesels were also forced to run on Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD).

 

[salty_monk]

Poisonous Snake wine... when I had it a few years back the snake was in the bottom of the bottle (big demi-john thing)

Tastes awful...

 

[Nessism]

Diesel oil formulations changed in 2007 when the CJ-4 standard was released; zinc and phosphorus levels dropped about 20%. Fortunately for us, there is still a goodly amount of these additives so diesel oil is still a good choice for our bikes.

 

[bluewool]

New diesels do not have extra cats. What they have is a separate urea tank and a separate chamber to burn all the ash out of the system. Less efficient and a silly law since diesel ash does not harm anything.

Diesel soot is highly carcinogenic.


I stopped using any oil years ago. Now I just blend slick50 with duralube.

 

[old_skool]

I stopped using any oil years ago. Now I just blend slick50 with duralube.

:lol::lol::lol: snake oil plus goose sh%%!

 

[loud et]

Yeah, was just askin....lol
I use Rotella anyways, figured it would still be the most suggested oil around these parts...and dont worrry I did not have the machine shop do any work for me or buy his oil. He was a cool guy and not a pusher.( I am way to cheap to pay that much anyways)
and like sachsacha said, I changed my oil in that new to me 550 L and it cut the chatter in half, just felt smoother....clueless as to what was in there before.

 

[Killer2600]

Rotella has been reformulated over the years but it's still top choice because it's cheap and is safe for wet clutchs. I doubt anyone has really done any scientific tests to compare rotella to any other oil on engine wear and lubrication. It's more like a "why should I buy this expensive 'motorcycle' oil when this cheap diesel oil works in engines that can go 1 million miles before overhaul."

New diesels do not have extra cats. What they have is a separate urea tank and a separate chamber to burn all the ash out of the system. Less efficient and a silly law since diesel ash does not harm anything.

I hate to be technical but you can't burn ash, ash is what's left after something is burned. The DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) captures the soot and during regen burns the soot so it becomes just ash. The DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) acts as a catalyst and converts green house gases into earth friendly gases/vapors. The cumulative effect being the air coming out the tail pipe is cleaner than what goes in the air filter.

 

[Nessism]

I believe some newer diesels DO have cats.