Is there M+S or 3mpsf tyres that fits the GS1000G?

[Guest]

Id like some tyres to extend my range in the beginning and end of the season.

It sucks to be trapped here, with snow/ice in both directions.

Maybe I need a winter bike...

 

[salty_monk]

I've used the Shinko 705's... they fit & work ok. You could also get Tourance by Meztler, the Karoo 3, Heidenau scout... i've run them all. Depends how "off road" you want them to be. There is a lot of choice that will fit.

 

[Guest]

I've used the Shinko 705's... they fit & work ok. You could also get Tourance by Meztler, the Karoo 3, Heidenau scout... i've run them all. Depends how "off road" you want them to be. There is a lot of choice that will fit.

I care a lot more about the S than the M. I want snow grip. I ride on so little mud I can just slow down.

 

[Gorminrider]

I'd guess you'll want chains in the end....Ice is what scares me or maybe a little less- hardpacked snow -not so much fresh snow that I won't go out in anyways... apart from motorcycles' "street tires" already having softer rubber (a feature of cars' winter tires) I don't know if a knobby tire is any better than a street tire on ice ..I suppose the reduced area of rubber-on-the-road means there is more weight born by the rubber, but the area is reduced so it sems to cancel out?

 

[Rich82GS750TZ]

Whatever jedz123 uses. PM him if he doesn’t respond here. He lives in Vermont, The Norway of the US and rides most of the year round.

 

[Guest]

I'd guess you'll want chains in the end....Ice is what scares me or maybe a little less- hardpacked snow -not so much fresh snow that I won't go out in anyways... apart from motorcycles' "street tires" already having softer rubber (a feature of cars' winter tires) I don't know if a knobby tire is any better than a street tire on ice ..I suppose the reduced area of rubber-on-the-road means there is more weight born by the rubber, but the area is reduced so it sems to cancel out?

Ice is predictable and easy though. I know where there might be ice. Snow on the other hand is a finicky bastard. It can start snowing at any time, and there might be slush anywhere. Even when the temperatures makes sense for riding. And even while its not snowing, the wind might blow it into the road.

I don't think knobs helps much, but M+S rated tyres have other compounds. Like my fat bike (bicycle) tyres without studs are okay unless you have to brake (the studded tyres for that bike is a work of art, wet ice is not even slightly an issue, sadly they arent rated for motorcycles). My logic is, they have M+S motorcycle tyres, if all motorcycles were good enough for that mark they'd slap it on every single tyre they make. For truck tyres they pretty much have the mark for anything that remotely resembles having the ability to drive on snow. I wish I could have a track day on snow, and slush with warm tyres and see how it works, maybe Im just too cautious.

For anything less than 4 tonnes it makes no sense with chains, unless you're stuck.

 

[Gorminrider]

The treads on MC street tires don't agree with M+S ...but the rubber is definitely as soft. I wonder if Dirt bike tires are maybe harder, because the sharp edges of the lugs grind down quick..but I don't know..however I have seen tires with spikes and such on ice.

I used to get caught in falling snow occassionally when I was young with 20 miles of mountain highway and city streets between me and home at night. Going down a mountain-steep snowy straight road with stopsigns on the way (22nd in West Van if you know the area) is no joke and I will be happy if I never do it again. But do wonder if the tires then were better for that situation than modern tires- ribbed front with a traction rear was the norm in the 70's.

but Whatever, maybe you haven't any there, but here, it's the blithe idiots who will drive in the snow without tires or wisdom that'll get you.

 

[Cipher]

holy hell that has to be one of the most northerly habitated spots on earth

 

[Guest]

holy hell that has to be one of the most northerly habitated spots on earth

Harstad? Its only 68 degrees north, I used to live in Alta (7-8 hour drive north), and people live as far as Nordkapp (71 degrees north), and the most northern city is Hammerfest (like 9 and a half hour away).

The treads on MC street tires don't agree with M+S ...but the rubber is definitely as soft. I wonder if Dirt bike tires are maybe harder, because the sharp edges of the lugs grind down quick..but I don't know..however I have seen tires with spikes and such on ice.

I used to get caught in falling snow occassionally when I was young with 20 miles of mountain highway and city streets between me and home at night. Going down a mountain-steep snowy straight road with stopsigns on the way (22nd in West Van if you know the area) is no joke and I will be happy if I never do it again. But do wonder if the tires then were better for that situation than modern tires- ribbed front with a traction rear was the norm in the 70's.

but Whatever, maybe you haven't any there, but here, it's the blithe idiots who will drive in the snow without tires or wisdom that'll get you.

There is tires that is like, 80% street and 20% gravel/dirt and so on. I struggle to find the right dimensions though. I find lots of tiny tires for like mopeds (scooters). Spiked tires would be illegal now (but probably not enforced if I say Im going north), and I doubt this bike is one Id be willing to let rust appart from all the salt.

Stop signs is a concept i don't understand, and they annoy me sooo much. I imagine driving a manual bus stopping every intersection, would be infuriating. Our driving schools bus has 7 gears going forward, its a lot of shifting when you stop... My fear is crossing a mountain in bellow freezing being stuck in wind or it starting to snow heavily. Its huge distances here, riding bellow freezing is COLD, and having to stop randomly in heavy snow on a mountain is somewhat terrifying. Waddling the bike while cars are doing 80kmh (60ish mph) is also scary in the snow.

Skill definitively helps, but I am fairly inexperienced at riding, on four wheels Im brilliant on ice and snow though. Or on a fatbike, but 17 kilos of bike is a little easier to manage (and it has knobby tires)...

 

[Grimly]

I've got a Golden Tyre G201 on the rear of mine. A 130/80-17.
https://www.goldentyreworld.com/product/gt-201-onoff/

 

[GS1150Pilot]

What about these?

https://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/winter-grip-plus/

 

[Grimly]

What about these?

https://www.anlas-tyres.co.uk/winter-grip-plus/

Narrowest rear there is a 150 - won't fit. Max width in a stock 850/1000G swingarm/drive is 140 and that's if you get lucky enough to find one, as most of them foul the driveline.

 

[GS1150Pilot]

Ah, damn. I didn't look at the sizes.

 

[Gorminrider]

cmon! Crazy-talk! a GS1000G in snow? If you want to ride in snow, get a smaller bike. A 250 or a 400 (a single 400 might be better? or maybe not-too much torque?) can keep up with traffic and won't crush you so badly when it falls on you. Easier to stop, and not so prone to skid out taking off if your heavily-mittened and numb hands misjudge the throttle...

 

[GS1150Pilot]

I don't think we should be trying to convince Noreg not to ride in the snow. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Guest]

I've got a Golden Tyre G201 on the rear of mine. A 130/80-17.
https://www.goldentyreworld.com/product/gt-201-onoff/

Thanks, thats the kind of thing Im looking for. What on the front though?

cmon! Crazy-talk! a GS1000G in snow? If you want to ride in snow, get a smaller bike. A 250 or a 400 (a single 400 might be better? or maybe not-too much torque?) can keep up with traffic and won't crush you so badly when it falls on you. Easier to stop, and not so prone to skid out taking off if your heavily-mittened and numb hands misjudge the throttle...

Its not so much that I want to ride in the snow, more so that I sometimes end up in snow. Like when I went to ?, and it suddently started snowing. Having correct tires would give me some ease of mind. Im not planning to plow through several inches of snow and slush on my bike. But if there is an inch or two, it would feel a lot more comfortable with good tires.

Today I started my day by brush the snow of my car. The roads were pretty clear, so I figured it will heat up and Ill be fine to drive. But I had one time where there were about an inch of snow and slush on the road. Its not terrible, but not optimal on summer tires. Its the same on the bike, I can be suprised by weather at any time (even in june it might snow in the moutains).

If I were going to ride in actual, snow snow, I would get a DR or something. But offroading isn't legal here and I think its cold enough to ride in barely above freezing temps. Id however want to be able to cross mountains without worrying too much about there being some snow or ice. And today, now the snow has melted (mostly) and the temperature is comfortably above freezing. I can't take it for a spin because Id be very restricted in where to go.

I don't think we should be trying to convince Noreg not to ride in the snow. He knows what he's doing.

I think they were just trying to give me an alternative to reach my objective. And for most scenarios I tend to agree, the GS1000G is not the best snow motorcycle, for much of the reasons mentioned. I imagine wearing full winter gear, and having mountain spikes around my bike boots, would be an interessting sight.

But I am just worried about being suprised by the snow. Rather than not ride in all of may, I want to have more fitted tires. And it would make me less worried about crossing bellow freezing mountain passes.

I apprechiate the advice to reconsider using this bike for this purpose. Having a "winter" bike for may and november makes some sense (salt wouldnt tarnish my gs1000g), and I wouldnt have to move tires.

 

[Gorminrider]

And it would make me less worried about crossing bellow freezing mountain passes.

well, Since I'm in "nanny-mode", best advice is "Don't go" if you're nervous.. It's just a motorcycle-you can't win on two wheels traction-wise. Heavy rain is bad enough.

One thing though that may help you, if you experiment with it first, is: take an air pump with you. Lowering the tire pressure a little will put a little more rubber on the road....low tire pressure is not great for high speeds and cornering (or your tires either if you let too much out!) but it might just give you a better grip when you are riding carefully in slippery conditions. It's like adding weight in a car ...which of course suggests it helps to keep all your weight low on the bike too. ...I mean the bivouac and Svea stove you'd better pack to wait for the snow to melt

 

[salty_monk]

I've used the Heidenau scouts. They are a good tyre. Very long lasting. They are German I think. I got at least 12k on my KLR with a set. The KLR rear is the same size as the GS - 130.

You could run the 110 /19 front, better to get the wider 2.15" wide rim for it if possible if you don't have that on the 81. The 82's do. I have one of the 82 2.15" rims on my shelf if you need one.... I have run 110 / 19's on it before. Post would probably be a killer though.

https://www.heidenautires.com/product/k60-scout/

The 130 doesn't have the continous rubber central bead that the wider tyres do... The 130 doesn't seem to suffer in the wet the same way the BMW GS guys report that wider ones do.

The Shinko is also not a bad tyre but less long lived & not as off road as the Heidenau.

I am running Metzler Karoo 3 currently which was recommended by BWRINGER our resident tire expert... I like it as much as the Heidenau on road & maybe slightly better off road. Again you need to run the 110 /19

https://www.metzeler.com/en-us/products/tires/karoo-3

 

[Grimly]

Thanks, thats the kind of thing Im looking for. What on the front though?

Nothing special - a Duro something.
https://www.oponeo.ie/details-moto-tyre/duro-hf296a-blvd-100-90-19-57-h-tl-m-c#297437577