Planning on a Big purchase Bking or Vmax?... or Other options.

[Jedz123]

Howdy guys
So I'm currently saving up for a new(er) machine and since I was 2" on pulling the trigger on the FZ-09 and backed out after all the reviews were less then stellar I've decided to save the other half of the down payment and buy my next machine mid winter with cash or little left to finance. I looked at the new machines coming out, GSX-S750 and the FZ-09 were big on the list but decided if I'm going to spend $7-$10K on a machine I might as well get something I've always wanted.... Something that is crazy powerful and somewhat rare. Right now my sights are on a B-king, Powered by the very common GSX-13000R "hayabusa" motor, so aftermarket support is huge and the field has proven the big block I-4 is stone cold reliable. The Vmax is on the edge for the 1700cc motor is just awesome. The look is rediculous and I love it! The only thing that turns me off about it is; it's a pig, fat and hungry for fuel. Although the weight and stance would make it a great weekend bike.
I'm not looking for my daily distance runner/ tourer for I have my FZ1 for that. I'm looking for a bike that is well rounded but is heavy hitting and would classify in the hyper class (low 10's in the 1/4). I've run liters for awhile and I'm ready for the next big thing.
So any insight would be is greatly appreciated. Previous owners please send your input and review! I'm also open to any other bike options or ideas. But basically the rule of tumb will be; it's a standard UJM at it's core with, upright ridding position with over 160hp and it's gotta benaked.
Thanks.

 

[blowerbike]

for 160hp the b-king is your only choice....

 

[amxsteve]

I would look at a speed triple as they are a hoot. Maybe a used k 1200-1300R the triumph with a pipe sounds awesome and has plenty of everyday snap. Better yet buy my 14R it's for sale cheap with 2500km.

 

[dorkburger]

Not a fan of the new V Max. The new one has nothing on the hotrod look of the original.

 

[Jedz123]

The ZX14 hasn't escaped my brain completely. But the clip on handle bars and crouched seating position is not what I'm really looking for... Honestly if I did consider a bike like that I would likely settle for a Hayabusa first.
Speed triple is a cool bike but I'm going after linear power and overall comfort in that first department the FZ-09 apparently walks over the triple. The only thing that tore me off the FZ-09 was the apparent rubbish for suspension stock. So bad that even most say the bike needs a $2K to become decent for twisty ridding. Clearly Yamaha's R&D went only in the new triple power plant and they just used left over FZ8 bits to make it work... Also to add that I already have my FZ1 with a fresh 05 motor that has been upgraded... It has plenty of enough snap and high speed cruising for every day use, I can spend an hour in the shop and with the proper gear change and touring shed, I can say their isn't much on the road that can keep up... Guess what I'm saying is my new bike has to be faster then my Fizzy setup up for hooligan ridding days.
I'm still reading reviews on the Max and I'm thinking about crossing it off on the list. I see that Yamaha is still trying to sell off some 2013's at some dealerships and the average rating is 2.5-3.5 stars on most sites. The B-king scores 3.5 -4.5... Just looks like the Suzuki is the better all round bike.
K 1200- or K1300 will be my next investigation.
Thanks.
-J

 

[wymple]

Get the one that boils your blood. Nothing else matters. I would take the V-Max, tho the early ones were far better looking to me.

 

[bwringer]

One other factor is that I bet you can score a B-King crazy stupid cheap compared to a V-Max. You might have to fly-n-ride -- they're not that common.

Personally, I kinda like the robot headlight/Transformers look of the B-King, and it's a far better all-around bike by all accounts. Mechanically a good bit simpler, too.

But both bikes are completely ridiculous. Get the one that blows yer dress up the most.

 

[Guest]

Easy answer Suzuki bKing then remove headlight replace with train light.

 

[Jedz123]

I've been keeping my eye on the B-Kings. Prices are starting to drop from $8K-$9K to sub $7K due to the season coming to the end... I remember last winter I found one for $5.5K mid February. You can start to find a V-Max for under $10K and like I stated before, plentiful due to them sitting on the show room floor for too long. The 23mpg of the Max just seems horrid. Less then 100 mile range on its tank, just not practical plus I'd think I 'd go through a couple rear tires at least in a season... However I have ridden a Vmax on a demo they had a couple years back. The demo guys weren't impressed when I lit the tire up when I may have lagged a bit behind to see how it accelerated in 2nd... LOL Nuts but the bike had a hard time locking up. It WAS ALLOT OF FUN.
Dollar for Dollar and pound for pound the B-king seems to be the better deal and the easier bike to fix if issues did happen to arise. The aftermarket support of the haysbusa means abundance in customization and power upgrades, cheaper in maintenance and repair. Just curious if anyone has owned or ridden one.
True the B-king's are not as common however I have found handfuls in NJ, MD and the greater Boston areas almost all have 10K miles or less on the odometers.
Cycle trader and CL have been my primary means of finding bikes.

 

[Jedz123]

Easy answer Suzuki bKing then remove headlight replace with train light.

LOL I was thinking that same thing!

 

[Hayabuser]

The B-King is an awesome bike, and highly underrated. I had a black 08 model and couldn't find any faults with the machine except for the lack of wind protection at 250+kph! Of course, I'd just come off of two Hayabusas and they have spectacular fairings for this sort of thing.

Anyway...

Once you toss the ugly plastic exhaust shrouds and 30lb exhaust box, the bike's appearance greatly improves. I had the Yoshimura cans and fender eliminator on mine and in my eyes, it was a beautiful thing. You'll never see another one on your favourite riding roads, that's for sure!

Handling is really good considering the bulk of the King and the brakes were way better than the six piston ones on my Gen1 'Busas.

I think that Suzuki would have a hit in the B-King had they introduced it a few years later when naked bikes took off in popularity. The new KTM 1290 Superduke is praised for it's outright power but even it is a few hp and ft.lbs. short of the mighty King.

Buy one, and don't let it go... like I did. :sorrow:

PS: The VMax is an overweight, ill-handling and overpriced turd for poseurs. :victorious:

 

[wymple]

If a V Max is overpriced, so is every other big rod out there. And poseurs haven't got the balls to hit it. Have you forgotten your history? Mighty Max kicked pretty much every power cruiser out of production. It handles well enough for what it's purpose is, according to the professionals who ride for a living. It certainly isn't ugly stacked up against all those naked bikes, and that includes the B king. They're all out there trying to copy that plumbing nightmare look of Ducati.

 

[Hayabuser]

The original V-Max is a legend, the follow up Vmax is a mess.

 

[Jedz123]

If a V Max is overpriced, so is every other big rod out there. And poseurs haven't got the balls to hit it. Have you forgotten your history? Mighty Max kicked pretty much every power cruiser out of production. It handles well enough for what it's purpose is, according to the professionals who ride for a living. It certainly isn't ugly stacked up against all those naked bikes, and that includes the B king. They're all out there trying to copy that plumbing nightmare look of Ducati.

A Classic 1200CC Vmax will eventually be folded into the heard but what I'm looking for is a modern/newer, FUEL INJECTED(my 2010 GSX650F has spoiled me to this new concept...) "hyper" Standard bike that I can cruise on all day, get good gas mileage, out run any 1000cc bike if I ever decided to got the track with it and be affordable/reliable to put 5-10k miles on in it a year. The Max I'm looking at specifically is a Gen 2... not the Gen 1

Thanks Hyabuser, I wanted an opinion from someone that's owned one of these lunatic bikes and could put in some logistical real world advise. I would be keeping my next bike for a great while. And 7-10 grand isn't something to just spit at ( for me at least) so I want to be sure before I invest.

...P.S. I love the look of your old B-king. Too bad you don't have it anymore.

Thanks!

 

[Hayabuser]

A Classic 1200CC Vmax will eventually be folded into the heard but what I'm looking for is a modern/newer, FUEL INJECTED(my 2010 GSX650F has spoiled me to this new concept...) "hyper" Standard bike that I can cruise on all day, get good gas mileage, out run any 1000cc bike if I ever decided to got the track with it and be affordable/reliable to put 5-10k miles on in it a year. The Max I'm looking at specifically is a Gen 2... not the Gen 1

Thanks Hyabuser, I wanted an opinion from someone that's owned one of these lunatic bikes and could put in some logistical real world advise. I would be keeping my next bike for a great while. And 7-10 grand isn't something to just spit at ( for me at least) so I want to be sure before I invest.

...P.S. I love the look of your old B-king. Too bad you don't have it anymore.

Thanks!

Good B-Kings should be considerably cheaper than $7-8000... mine went for $5500 Canadian this spring, and I was lucky to get that since buyers weren't exactly lining up for it. :dispirited:

 

[Hayabuser]

PS: Neither a B-King nor a Vmax will outrun a liter-bike on the track... Suzuki claimed that the King could lap a road-course as quick as a GSX-R600 in 2008 so challenging a Gixxer Thou might be a tad suicidal. On the dragstrip however, the B-King would hold its own. :encouragement:

 

[Jedz123]

When I meant track, I meant 1/4 mile strip... Lol It was late and doing my EON paper work, checking the guys out and locking the unit up while putting my post together.
I'm a linear power kinda guy and use to love spending my younger days running the 1/4 (with a car not a bike) it was the main reason why I was broke. All my bikes have -2 front sprockets installed or on hand . I have yet to run my Fizzy on the strip but I'm sure I could pull a low 11 or even a high 10 with my acceleration sprockets setup, stripped and with current motor and carb mods. My next bike needs to be faster then that.

$5500... Wow I'm very shocked by that. Most of the numbers I'm getting are from dealerships. Looks like the inventory is just sitting there so I'm sure if I walked in with $1k less in cash they may let it go. If not then I'm sure a good deal will surface.

Thanks for the input!

 

[amxsteve]

I like my 05 max not love buts it is an iconic bike that I had to own. Is it fast, I guess if you have never ridden a really fast bike yea. It's got great power above 6k and decent power below. It handles well until pushed and I don't like it above 100 MPH at all. It's funny when your riding it because every rider that ever talks to me about says wow those things are crazy fast. Yamaha fid a great job of hyping the crap out of them. When I was a young lad my neighbor was a test rider for yamaha and brought home the first one in Canada. He told me to go to the end of the road and dump the clutch at 6k in second gear. It's still the longest burnout I have ever done and impressed the **** out of me. That bike had less than 100 km on it and the back tire was roasted. Good ol times.

 

[blowerbike]

we chewed em up and spat em out.....on the street and drag strip.
my 1150 would walk everyone we encountered.
over rated IMO.

 

[Guest]

we chewed em up and spat em out.....on the street and drag strip.
my 1150 would walk everyone we encountered.
over rated IMO.

Amen we used to say "vmax for snacks" never even close to losing to one.