Sonic vs Racetech fork springs

[theresthatguy]

Both come highly recommended; what's the real difference besides price and rate availability?

I have new seals and oil but would like some input on this spring decision. I will probably want to add the cartridge emulators at a later point, but the drilling kind of scares me.

 

[bwringer]

They're both very high quality springs. The difference is price and service.

Sonic springs are a bit cheaper, and the owner is a member here. You'll get your springs fast, and if you have a question, you can email Rich and get an answer fast.

With RaceTech, you're on your own. No one will answer the phone, no one will call you back, and no one will answer emails.

Not a tough decision...

 

[trevor]

I just put Sonic springs (thanks Joe) in my 1100 and love them!! I have progressives in my 750 but am going to order Sonics for it soon.

 

[rwnielsen]

So, the Progressive springs I put in 12, or so, years ago are no longer considered any good? They do seem a little soft. They were "The Fix" back in the day.

 

[tkent02]

Both come highly recommended; what's the real difference besides price and rate availability?

I have new seals and oil but would like some input on this spring decision. I will probably want to add the cartridge emulators at a later point, but the drilling kind of scares me.

The drilling is easy. Go for it.

 

[trevor]

So, the Progressive springs I put in 12, or so, years ago are no longer considered any good? They do seem a little soft. They were "The Fix" back in the day.

I don't know if they are not any good...I just like the Sonic springs a lot more. I like a very firm suspension though.

 

[Guest]

So, the Progressive springs I put in 12, or so, years ago are no longer considered any good? They do seem a little soft. They were "The Fix" back in the day.

They are too soft for the most part, but better than the tired OEM springs. The thing was back then there was no alternative. Now that Sonic and Racetech both offer straight rate springs of the correct rates for our bikes the PS springs are definitely second class.

In 2004 I modified a set of PS fork springs and got to a rate of around 0.92kg/mm, which is still too soft for me and my 1100E. Now I can go buy the correct 1.00kg/mm rate from Sonic for a very reasonable price so there is no point in looking anywhere else.


Mark

 

[jwhelan65]

Go with Sonic, as mentioned the service is much better. Its all I use in my bikes.

 

[bwringer]

So, the Progressive springs I put in 12, or so, years ago are no longer considered any good? They do seem a little soft. They were "The Fix" back in the day.

Progressive brand springs work well for "average" weight riders who are interested more in a smooth ride than ultimate handling. If you're 160 pounds or so or less, they're fine.

For best handling, and/or if you're larger than "average", straight rate springs in a rate tailored to your weight are the best option.

The disadvantage, of course, is that if you sell the bike to a rider of a dramatically different weight, the springs won't be right for them.

The biggest difference I notice between Progressives and Sonic springs in everyday non-banzai mode riding is dramatically less brake dive. If you're heavier than average, they're definitely worthwhile for that effect alone.

However, straight rate springs are a bit harsher over small bumps than Progressive springs. If you're not over 200 pounds, or you aren't a hard charger, you might be happier with the added comfort of Progressive springs.

 

[Missile99]

However, straight rate springs are a bit harsher over small bumps than Progressive springs. If you're not over 200 pounds, or you aren't a hard charger, you might be happier with the added comfort of Progressive springs.

LOL......I'm only 160 but am one click away from ordering some Sonics because I like to think of myself as a "hard charger." I love this term. I tell my riding friends that I will go slow until I see a turn. At that point I accelerate toward it, brake good, and apex that beauty. I will just tell them I'm a hard charger in whatever twisties we can find along the boring Florida roads.

 

[tkent02]

Depends on what you like. A comfortable ride and good handling are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Wingsconsin]

...Sonic for me ...this time

...Sonic for me ...this time

Depends on what you like. A comfortable ride and good handling are not mutually exclusive.

Agreed 100% - I had a GL1100 Goldwing Interstate last year that was the most cushy and yet best handling bike I ever rode - It had Progressive Suspension all around and was set up just right ...no fork dive, soft over bumps and cracks, and yet cornered like it was on rails...

Now I find myself seeking similar riding on my GS850 GL - I Am reworking a spare seat to eliminate the torture device from under my bum -

And now that I am doing Fork Seals - I ordered SONIC SPRINGS at 1.1 rate - I am a large dude at over 300# so more better is a good idea for me....

I suppose he future brings new rear suspension also ..but time & money are going to help decide that change....

I have Progressives in/on my GL1500 Goldwing front & rear and really like them ...but that is a road sofa machine so I don't really flog it too hard through the corners...

 

[Guest]

just a minor bit of dissent, i recently(last winter) put racetech springs in along with emulators, and found their customer service to be fine. talked to them a couple times on the phone and exchanged a couple emails as well. they do have a reputation for being uncommunicative, but for me, that week, they were helpful. Didn't even buy the springs or emulators directly thru them, found them cheaper on amazon.

 

[bwringer]

just a minor bit of dissent, i recently(last winter) put racetech springs in along with emulators, and found their customer service to be fine. talked to them a couple times on the phone and exchanged a couple emails as well. they do have a reputation for being uncommunicative, but for me, that week, they were helpful. Didn't even buy the springs or emulators directly thru them, found them cheaper on amazon.

I've heard it both ways, which is indeed puzzling. Anyone can have an "off" week, but I've tried to work with Racetech on at least three separate occasions and gotten no answer on the phone, no return call, and no response to emails.

If you had a good experience, great. Lots of people have. I've had no luck with Racetech, so they're off my personal list.



As to the difference, for street use what would really be nice would be a set of progressively wound springs with appropriate spring rates. The main problem with Progressive brand fork springs is simply that there's only one set of spring rates offered for a given bike. The overall concept makes a lot of sense for street riding, but the only springs Progressive sells for my 850G are best suited for a rider about 1/2 to 2/3 my weight.

For roadracing use, straight-rate springs are usually preferred because they're more predictable -- they respond exactly the same anywhere in the fork travel.

Some racers will change fork springs to tune the suspension for different tracks -- you can use lighter springs and get better tracking on smooth, flat tracks, or use stiffer springs so you don't bottom out on rough tracks or tracks with more elevation changes.

 

[Guest]

I put Racetech springs and emulators in the old 1150 last year. Service was fine, emailed, then a couple of phone conversations,.perfectly fine and straight forward purchase. Tech support was excellent as well when I had a couple of questions.

 

[theresthatguy]

Both sonic and racetech spring calculators recommend about a 1.0, so I'm going with Sonic. I'm happy to help out another GSR member and save money.

The drilling is easy. Go for it.

I have a wimpy 12v drill. Will this even suffice for the task? or would I need to have a shop of sorts do this?

Also, racetech site says the FEGV S3001 emulators are the ones for my bike, is this correct? Their site layout is questionable in my opinion.

 

[tkent02]

Both sonic and racetech spring calculators recommend about a 1.0, so I'm going with Sonic. I'm happy to help out another GSR member and save money.



I have a wimpy 12v drill. Will this even suffice for the task? or would I need to have a shop of sorts do this?

Also, racetech site says the FEGV S3001 emulators are the ones for my bike, is this correct? Their site layout is questionable in my opinion.

I used a drill press, but the steel seemed fairly soft. I think a 12v drill would do it. Got a small vise to hold it?

 

[theresthatguy]

I used a drill press, but the steel seemed fairly soft. I think a 12v drill would do it. Got a small vise to hold it?

I have a roommate. All jokes aside, no I don't.

 

[wymple]

You need to get out and make some friends, then.

 

[theresthatguy]

or buy a drill press. found this one on amazon for 80 bucks. http://www.amazon.com/WEN-4208-8-In...F8&qid=1406419718&sr=8-1&keywords=drill+press