Cheng Shin tires?

[Nessism]

Flaming and name dropping doesn't make a third world production facility make better products. Care to let us idiots in on your "hard evidence". I'm very interested in it. Thanks for sharing in advance.

Hey Ninja_Lancer,
You cast the first stone on this discussion by sarcastically drawing comparisons between Chinese motorcycle tires and the recent problems with lead in paint on toys and chemical contamination in dog food. Basically you have condemned all Chinese products with your comment.

Cheng Shin Himax tires have a good reputation at GSR based on actual usage by some experienced users. I'm going to get some after my current Bridgestones wear out. You don't have to use them if you don't want to but please don't cast dispersions at the whole country based on the actions of a couple of companies.

 

[Bizcocho]

I replaced the tires that came on my used GS550E with CS, and they seemed fine. Now I put on Bridgestone BT-45s and it's a wonderful new bike. They're so sticky I need help to get it up on the center stand. :-D

 

[Pharkmeh]

Hey Ninja_Lancer,
You cast the first stone on this discussion by sarcastically drawing comparisons between Chinese motorcycle tires and the recent problems with lead in paint on toys and chemical contamination in dog food. Basically you have condemned all Chinese products with your comment.

Cheng Shin Himax tires have a good reputation at GSR based on actual usage by some experienced users. I'm going to get some after my current Bridgestones wear out. You don't have to use them if you don't want to but please don't cast dispersions at the whole country based on the actions of a couple of companies.

dude - dont even go there....:shock:

while your argument on their tyre production/quality may be valid....

Their politics, industry, quality control, censorship & human rights history certainly attract "dispersions" upon the country.... ahh but thats another thread altogether....:?

I too found the reference by Grandpa "that you idiots....blah blah" was a lil harsh and unwarranted generalisation..... and accordingly not surprised it provoked a barbed response/s...

..but then Im happy with my Bridgestone Battlax...idiot or not... I keep flogging them & they keep stickin...cant ask for more at a fair price...

cheers

Phark

 

[Grandpa]

Flaming and name dropping doesn't make a third world production facility make better products. Care to let us idiots in on your "hard evidence". I'm very interested in it. Thanks for sharing in advance.

My hard evidence is based on thousands of miles of using Cheng Shin HiMax tires. I've done the math, and find that the front HiMax, in particular, has yielded the highest ratio of miles per dollar.

And I make no apologies for calling you an idiot, for condemning all Chinese products as inadequate, when this particular tire has proved its worth time and again.

I'm out of this thread.

 

[Ninja_Lancer]

Hey Ninja_Lancer,
You cast the first stone on this discussion by sarcastically drawing comparisons between Chinese motorcycle tires and the recent problems with lead in paint on toys and chemical contamination in dog food. Basically you have condemned all Chinese products with your comment.

Cheng Shin Himax tires have a good reputation at GSR based on actual usage by some experienced users. I'm going to get some after my current Bridgestones wear out. You don't have to use them if you don't want to but please don't cast dispersions at the whole country based on the actions of a couple of companies.

No I didn't throw rocks but that's your opinion. China is a cool country with a great record on human rights, ecology and production standards, Happy? I still won't buy Chinese tires.

 

[Ninja_Lancer]

My hard evidence is based on thousands of miles of using Cheng Shin HiMax tires. I've done the math, and find that the front HiMax, in particular, has yielded the highest ratio of miles per dollar.

And I make no apologies for calling you an idiot, for condemning all Chinese products as inadequate, when this particular tire has proved its worth time and again.

I'm out of this thread.

So that's your "evidence"? Cheap and you can ride them a long time.... Ok, I'm glad I'm the idiot then.

 

[Guest]

Flaming and name dropping doesn't make a third world production facility make better products. Care to let us idiots in on your "hard evidence". I'm very interested in it. Thanks for sharing in advance.

Not trying to be quarrelsome here, but I did a bit of digging before deciding to try a Himax front tire on my bike (based on positive reviews here and from a riding friend)...Cheng Shin's plant has received all the current international QS/ISO certification that one would expect from a company manufacturing quality product. As such, I have less than 500 miles on the Himax, but so far have no complaints at all (even though it replaced a Metzeler)....the riding buddy I mentioned earlier, runs CS tires almost exclusively on a modded street/track GS1100E (big bore kit, Webb cams, Gixxer carbs, and nitrous)...he rides in an extremely aggressive fashion and has probably been through around 10 sets of these tires without any problems at all, so I figured I could reasonably expect them to serve my needs on my 'mild' 1100 .
Having said all that, one needs to have confidence in the rubber you run, so if it makes you uneasy spending too little, its probably better to buy another more expensive brand, if simply to keep from wondering if the tire is gonna stick , when faced with a 'pucker moment' out on the street.

Tony.

 

[wrench]

Flaming and name dropping doesn't make a third world production facility make better products. Care to let us idiots in on your "hard evidence". I'm very interested in it. Thanks for sharing in advance.

Ninja don't be to hard on Grandpa/Nick... he may be a frugal bastage :lol:..
but he knows what he's talking about. :-D

 

[8trackmind]

So that's your "evidence"? Cheap and you can ride them a long time.... Ok, I'm glad I'm the idiot then.

I'm glad you are too. :-D

 

[Griffin]

Rob at Cycle Recycle sells Hi-Maxes and runs them on his CB 9-11F (CB900F frame and bodywork with a bored out CB1100 engine stuffed in). He sold me a pair for my new '81 GS750E. I was a bit nervous about them as well, having used mostly Pirelli, Avon, and Metzeler in the past. I haven't mounted them yet, so can't tell you firsthand what they are like.

However...

He told me he sells a ton of them to guys who come in on 'Busas, Gixxers, R1s, Ninjas, CBRs, etc... I haven't seen a rash of motorcycle slide offs reported on the local tv news or in the newspaper, so I guess they work for those guys.

 

[Clone]

I ran a Marquis twice, because it was the only size of tire I could get, that would fit. I noticed that the tire would wear unevenly, it was susceptable to air pressure and balancing issues. The Marquis grips well, but doesn't wear well. A better tire is the HiMax, it grips as well and lasts longer.
Cheng Shin makes a lot of tires for other companies as well, so they sell not only their own tires but a lot of other brands as well, so don't let people tell you that because it is made in Asia it is crap.

 

[bwringer]

Rob at Cycle Recycle sells Hi-Maxes and runs them on his CB 9-11F (CB900F frame and bodywork with a bored out CB1100 engine stuffed in). He sold me a pair for my new '81 GS750E. I was a bit nervous about them as well, having used mostly Pirelli, Avon, and Metzeler in the past. I haven't mounted them yet, so can't tell you firsthand what they are like.

Rob also sold me my first set of Cheng Shin HiMaxes a few years back. I was all set to order up a set of Dunlops ($$$), but he insisted that I try the Cheng Shins first ($). I was a little doubtful, but he said I could ride them for a week and he would refund my money if I didn't like them.

I liked 'em well enough to go through three or four sets on my GS850G. I got 7,000 to 8,000 miles a set, which is pretty dang good for me. Believe me, I can put the hurt on motorcycle tires...

It's important to note that the CS HiMax is considered a pretty dang good tire, but the CS Marquis and Barracuda are generally regarded as, um, not as good. The HiMax is also available in the widest range of sizes -- in some sizes, it's about the only option out there.

However, I note that CS has come out with a new V-rated tire called the C6000 Barracuda, which might be pretty good, although available sizes are limited:
http://tiresunlimited.com/ALL TIRES/Cheng Shin/Cheng_Shin_C6000_Baracuda.htm

 

[lurch12_2000]

end of story?

end of story?

OK, since I started this post maybe I should end it.
First, after all this, I bought a set of Cheng Shin HiMax (C906/C907) tires online for the front and rear of my '83 GS1100G based on good reports from the GSR forum.
I factored in cheaper price(under $100 for both including shipping), tread design, decent wear reports, and sufficient performance reviews. I won't need a V rating, which the bike's original specs call for, as my days of 100+ mph riding and scraping pegs are over.
I understand why the lower price may scare people away and also the lower shipping weight (less rubber?) which nobody commented on and may indicate an inferior tire. But I guess these were the Marquis model which I based my experience on and would steer clear of.
Maybe when I get the HiMaxxes mounted in the next few weeks and start riding on them I'll give a layman's review(based on 34 years of riding bikes and 14 motorcycles later!).
Grandpa, I did take offense to being called "idiots" but then again I've been called worse - so we move on to the next topic.
By the way, the tire I have is stamped "made in Taiwan" and I believe they are still seperate from China even they're becoming one country. In my opinion Taiwan has had quality control for awhile but the "bad" China is coming into 21st century economic standards/quality controls.
So we'll switch to the discussion forum to talk about China's politics if you want.
Remember, this tech forum is very useful, gets heated at times, but helps me out a lot in keeping the old GS1100G on the road. So keep the replies coming from all for other posts.
The End?

 

[DanTheMan]

OK, since I started this post maybe I should end it.
First, after all this, I bought a set of Cheng Shin HiMax (C906/C907) tires online for the front and rear of my '83 GS1100G based on good reports from the GSR forum.
I factored in cheaper price(under $100 for both including shipping), tread design, decent wear reports, and sufficient performance reviews. I won't need a V rating, which the bike's original specs call for, as my days of 100+ mph riding and scraping pegs are over.
I understand why the lower price may scare people away and also the lower shipping weight (less rubber?) which nobody commented on and may indicate an inferior tire. But I guess these were the Marquis model which I based my experience on and would steer clear of.
Maybe when I get the HiMaxxes mounted in the next few weeks and start riding on them I'll give a layman's review(based on 34 years of riding bikes and 14 motorcycles later!).
Grandpa, I did take offense to being called "idiots" but then again I've been called worse - so we move on to the next topic.
By the way, the tire I have is stamped "made in Taiwan" and I believe they are still seperate from China even they're becoming one country. In my opinion Taiwan has had quality control for awhile but the "bad" China is coming into 21st century economic standards/quality controls.
So we'll switch to the discussion forum to talk about China's politics if you want.
Remember, this tech forum is very useful, gets heated at times, but helps me out a lot in keeping the old GS1100G on the road. So keep the replies coming from all for other posts.
The End?

Hey, I'll buy that for a dollar............(Thanx Groucho!!!!!!!!):-D:-D

 

[bwringer]

I can tell you for a proven physical fact that you can drag the pegs all you want with the Cheng Shin HiMaxes. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

There's definitely no need to feel like you're giving up something.

 

[8trackmind]

I can tell you for a proven physical fact that you can drag the pegs all you want with the Cheng Shin HiMaxes. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

There's definitely no need to feel like you're giving up something.

So, whats up with you running AVON's now? :-s

 

[Guest]

I can tell you for a proven physical fact that you can drag the pegs all you want with the Cheng Shin HiMaxes. :twisted:

There's definitely no need to feel like you're giving up something.

I guess its not over till we say its over .
Tire tech has come a long way in the last quarter century, since these bikes were new.Even a mediocre modern tire probably offers better performance than the premium rubber available in 1980....the Himax is WAY better than the Bridgestone Mag Mopus that was OE on these bikes...though they were great for laying 'darkies', as they would light up at every semi-aggressive upshift.:twisted:

Tony.

 

[bwringer]

So, whats up with you running AVON's now? :-s

I'm after that last 1%... :twisted:



I tried the V-rated Pirelli Sport Demons, and LOVED them. The difference was in the finer details of feel more than grip. Alas, they were roasted past the wear bars at 4,200 miles. (Yes, they were always properly inflated, balanced, etc.)

Then Avon came out with the V-rated AM26 in early 2007, with pretty much the same mission description, and so I tried a set in the spirit of experimentation. They were also $60 cheaper than the Pirellis. So far the Avons have 4,000 miles, and will easily go a couple thousand more. They do feel a little different than the Pirellis -- they feel just as wonderful, but they are perhaps a bit pointier in profile and a touch quicker to lean over.


By the way, I've noticed a few people trying to equate tire quality with weight, as if a heavier tire is automatically a better tire. This is completely false. Modern materials design, and manufacturing allow tires to be much lighter and more flexible, so they run much cooler and give grip that was unimaginable in the 1980s, along with generally outstanding tread life.

Check out a modern radial sometime, or a modern V-rated bias ply tire -- they are very flexible and light weight, yet durable and strong. (This flexibility makes them a lot easier to mount than old school tires, too. Radials are almost ridiculously easy when you're used to GS tires.)

A tire that's flexible enough to run cooler will give you more grip, better handling, and longer life.

 

[Bert Patterson]

So that's your "evidence"? Cheap and you can ride them a long time.... Ok, I'm glad I'm the idiot then.

That's all the evidence you'll ever get. You have to trust his wisdom. Also trust that there's no appreciable difference between our motorcycles, riding styles, rider weight, etc...

His wisdom is his hard evidence. He keeps it protected by an extremely thin layer of skin.

 

[earlfor]

With that in mind, I believe I will stick with my Continental Road Attacks.

Earl

That's all the evidence you'll ever get. You have to trust his wisdom. Also trust that there's no appreciable difference between our motorcycles, riding styles, rider weight, etc...

His wisdom is his hard evidence. He keeps it protected by an extremely thin layer of skin.