gs650gl beginner trouble

[timebombprod]

hey my names ian im pretty new to the bike scene and i picked up a gs650gl for $700, i already read the deadly sins post and another and sorry to say ive bought a bike that was too cheap to be good. im wondering if anyone here has the oem specs for my air pilot screw turns (i guess aswell as the fuel screw), i watched a carb clean video and used the spray so i did another thing wrong, but the dude in the vid told me take my air pilot screw out and didnt ever show putting it back in, now i know i messed up because i had no clue what is was. im gonna be running it with my airbox, i have a stock exhaust, and i am sure that its stock jetting this bike was untouched for a very long time till it sat by the previous owner and the no knowledge me picked it up. the good news is i took off the black spraypaint and it had the original black/blue with gold pinstripe paint on it, still looks pretty good with small scuffs on it. i get my fuel valve tomorrow the one on it leaks now its a new problem that surfaced, i also had to get another pair of gaskets because the ones i bought were too thin and interfered with my needle having the float bowl rest on it. please if anyone knows the amount of turns im supposed to do or has any advice on what to do so i can get it running again. sorry this may end up being a long post. prior to it being down when i went to check it out the bike was sitting for a while atleast a year and then from the dude i bought it from it had to be another couple weeks, he started it up and it had alot of smoke at first, but it ended up being none after i rode it for two days, i would hear the tone of the engine change throughout riding it and it has me believing the carbs may have been out of balance. when i rode it for a little longer of a trip it shut down on me twice in a row when i pulled in my clutch to downshift and stop. it sat at my friends house then didnt want to start back up. also if anyone has a site to get the boot gaskets at i looked on ebay and they didnt have it for the 650 but all the other ones. idk how bad im gonna get roasted for being new to this and not knowing what im doing. but if anyone can help me out please do. if theres a forum on here for my questions direct me to it, i looked at the online manual and couldnt find anything bout adjusting the air/fuel ratio. and unfortunately i cant buy the real one for a minute. please help.

orignially posted in the engine/drivetrain forum but somebody redirected me here thankfully.

its a 1982 gs650gl

 

[Big T]

You seem to have been led astray by several sources.
Are you referring to the Top 10 newbie mistakes?
Have you properly cleaned your carbs per the tutorial?
What is the additional fuel screw you mention?
Carb boots should be available from a Suzuki dealer

You've come to the right place to solve your issues, you just need to go here:

https://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/showthread.php?196338-New-Members-CLICK-HERE!!

and read everything and follow the links. You will find how to clean your carbs and how to adjust them, a workshop manual to guide you and solutions to the common problems with the GS models, Then, post up any problems you have along the way

 

[timebombprod]

i didnt know if i would have to also adjust my fuel if i adjust my air screw, not boots but the boot gaskets the o-ring for them sorry if i was confusing, i didnt clean them like in the tutorial no but any of my jets or anything with tiny holes in it has been poked through with a needle to ensure theres nothing blocking it. and alot of the rust and white/green stuff has been tooken out i have a little bit of rust still in my float bowls but minimal. yeah it was the top ten newbie mistakes and the deadly sins post i read. ill be looking in that post you gave me a link to thanks.

 

[timebombprod]

my one issue is that ive been on my manual on the bikecliff website and i couldnt find anything about adjusting them i found balancing them but i didnt see anyhting about how to adjust my air/fuel

 

[Big T]

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/bikecliff/images/highest_rpm_plug_chop.html

Remember, the fuel screw only adjusts the idle mixture

You'll need to properly follow the tutorial for cleaning your carbs, or chase problems until you do

 

[timebombprod]

sorry but theyre very clean i didnt watch the vid but im guessing its about soaking them, i will clean them like that later on but i can assure you that its just fine everything was took out (except my floats i got told that when taking the pin out its possible i could break the mount if im not careful i didnt wanna take chances) sprayed, wiped, and rinsed correctly. i know since im new im probably rushing myself and not listening all the way but i just want to know about the air pilot screw turns. im sorry that im difficult. i didnt rush my cleaning process im very happy with how they turned out just my float bowls on the inside have some orange left but any holes that my jets go through were spotless i made sure to take extra care for them

im going to check my spark plugs and see what they look like to make sure i can pin my bike not starting to one problem

ur from the other forum arent you

 

[timebombprod]

my air filter comes next friday and my gaskets come around the same time so ill be running through my carbs again to make them even cleaner, and while im at it ill be more precise doing everything so i can assure that i just have to learn how to adjust my airflow and possibly my fuel mixture

 

[BigD_83]

I would hope that you won't get roasted for being new and asking questions. That's just the nature of learning something for the first time, and honestly, the questions won't ever stop. You'll just learn how to ask them of yourself eventually, and come back here for support when you can't answer them.

Partzilla carries the carb boots. I'd sell you a set, or gift you a decent set of used ones if you were local, but I think you can probably pick up a new set from a dealer try Parts Outlaw. That is the online presence of Deland Motorsports, which is pretty much local to you, so you might even be able to source through them and avoid shipping

https://www.delandmotorsports.com/

 

[BigD_83]

not boots but the boot gaskets the o-ring for them sorry if i was confusing

oops. I missed this from your subsequent post. Boot o-rings can be sourced through member robertbarr of cycle o-rings.

http://www.cycleorings.com/

 

[Steve]

i didnt know if i would have to also adjust my fuel if i adjust my air screw,

Where are these "air screws" and "fuel screws" you keep referring to??
As I mentioned in your other thread (with the same first post), you do NOT have separate fuel and air screws.

..., i didnt clean them like in the tutorial no but any of my jets or anything with tiny holes in it has been poked through with a needle to ensure theres nothing blocking it.

The jets may be "clean", but what about all the tiny passages between them? THOSE are what clogs up, probably more than the jets themselves. There is no way to reach anything in there to clean them out, they have to be SOAKED clean. Some have reported at least a modest success with an ultrasonic cleaner, but most of us use chemicals, specifically Berryman's Carb Cleaner Dip. You need to remove EVERYTHING from the carb body, following the tutorial (probably the one you said you didn't follow), then soak each carb for about 24 hours, rinse it, spray a little carb cleaner through the passages to ensure they are clean, then blow them out with compressed air. Finish up assembly by using new o-rings from cycleorings, then bench sync them, install, then fine-tune.

my one issue is that ive been on my manual on the bikecliff website and i couldnt find anything about adjusting them i found balancing them but i didnt see anyhting about how to adjust my air/fuel

I gave you instructions on your other thread, but you still have to start with CLEAN carbs.

You'll need to properly follow the tutorial for cleaning your carbs, or chase problems until you do

This is pretty much a guarantee. Until we hear the the carbs have been cleaned properly, there is no point of offering any more suggestions.

sorry but theyre very clean i didnt watch the vid but im guessing its about soaking them, i will clean them like that later on but i can assure you that its just fine ...

I did not check to see what that video was about, but I don't remember any video here about soaking carbs. That is in a well-written (and illustrated) tutorial. As far as "its just fine", ... if it really WERE "fine", you would not be asking for help.

... everything was took out (except my floats i got told that when taking the pin out its possible i could break the mount if im not careful i didnt wanna take chances) sprayed, wiped, and rinsed correctly.

If you had read the tutorial, you would have found a very easy, reliable way to remove the float pins with no damage. I do this all the time. And if you did not remove the floats, there is no way to address one of the common causes of carb problems, a leaky o-ring around the float valve. Any chance you checked the float heights before putting the bowls back on?


I have offered the advise many times before that any shortcuts taken are merely opportunities to do it over and do it RIGHT.

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[LAB3]

^^^ I agree with what Steve says, follow the tutorial and do the soak. It might seem that it takes a lot of time but in the long run you'll spend far more time dinking around trying to get something to run right that probably never will.

 

[timebombprod]

my issue is that i took out the air pilot screw and just screwed it in all the way, its the screw piece that is located on the intake side of the carbs, if you look in the pic its the little hole on the left side of the carb, these arent mine just a pic i found, but i screwed it in all the way not knowing theres an amount of turns im supposed to do to adjust them, i did check my float height it was over an inch which is supposedly wrong i heard theyre supposed to be 22.5-23.5mm high, i adjusted them to that but im going to recheck them once i open the carbs. please guys i cleaned the carbs i did very well i cleaned any spot the jets went in and i got plenty of gunk out till only clear liquid was coming out i will redo them again when i get the gaskets i promise.

 

[timebombprod]

youtube.com/watch?v=95nlrP-yn2I


i dont expect anyone to watch the full video if you just go to 13:00 it shows what i took out and the vid didnt ever explain putting them back in

 

[Steve]

Those are the air JETS and are supposed to be screwed in all the way and snugged up enough so they don't come back out on their own.

There is NO adjustment on them except for replacing them with one of a different size.

Please read and FOLLOW THIS TUTORIAL.

When you are done, THEN we will discuss the fine-tuning adjustments.

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[timebombprod]

o snap well damn im gonna watch the tutorial and keep my mouth shut till im done with the tutorial lol, could it be that my floats got flooded i was trying to start it with a fuel valve that was leaking and i didnt know till i got frustrated and took my tank off again.
anyways im gonna watch the video sorry

 

[timebombprod]

i will say this, and again very nooby of me, i was trying to start it with no air restriction was just open, and it says dont do that, ill do this right

 

[tom203]

Do it right...the passages in the pilot circuit are tiny and will resist cleaning- dipping or ultrasonic cleaning (maybe both) is required.

 

[Steve]

I just got done watching that video. It says it is brought to us by Z1 Enterprises. As much as we respect and admire Z1 for all they do, I don't believe this was actually filmed by them and produced by them. The author mentioned something about being in Brazil at the time, so I have a feeling that it is by Chris (shirazdrum) who was riding his 850 in many countries.

Nothing in that video was blatantly wrong, but there was SO much that was left out, it's not funny. He mentioned something about taking them completely apart, but then said he was not going to un-gang the carbs. You can NOT take them completely apart if they are still on the rails. He also did not remove the pilot screws, or even mention the possibility of turning them for adjustment.

I'm sorry, but anybody that follows that video and believes they have fully cleaned their carbs, deserves all the problems they will encounter when they start riding.

Do yourself a favor. SKIP THE VIDEO. Download, read and follow the tutorial I posted in post #14.

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[timebombprod]

yeah no i know it didnt do a full cleaning im just a bit worrisome about taking them apart into individual carbs instead of 4 on a rack because this is my first time doing anything, yeah the vids not bad but its basically a carb clean for carbs that are already pretty dang clean. are the jets and all that interchangable or do they go to a specific carb?

i did look at ur tutorial u posted and ill be doing alot of what it says, i know if i dont take them apart like that it wont be a proper clean, just worried bout doing it like that.

 

[Steve]

..., yeah the vids not bad but its basically a carb clean for carbs that are already pretty dang clean.

And everything you have shown so far tells us that your carbs are NOT "pretty dang clean", meaning that they will need more work than that video shows.

are the jets and all that interchangable or do they go to a specific carb?

The jets can be moved around, they are not carb-specific.


If you are not going to take them apart, don't bother doing anything at all to them.

When it comes down to it, there are only two ways of doing anything. Right and over. :-\\\

If you are afraid of taking them apart and doing them correctly, just bite the bullet and send them to one of us that will do it for you.


When you get done working on your bike, you might want to look into getting a new keyboard for your computer.
The "Y" and "O" keys seem to be rather intermittent.

i did look at ur tutorial u posted ...

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