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Low Cost / High Performance GS1100E Head work

posplayr

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I thought I would post this to document my conclusions for improving the performance of my GS1100ED head. I asked around and got input from some knowledgeable people here on the board and thought I would summarize my finding and conclusion below. This might be helpful to anyone going through their engine and trying to decide how to spend their money.

I have a GS1100ED with most of the common/popular street modifications. A GS1100ED that you want to drive on the street, but hop it up nicely but stay very street able without compromising reliability.

I'm trying to achieve a performance level above a stock 1150 (GS1100E is 109hp (80-82) 111 (83) hp and GS1150 124 hp stock) say 130-135 hp.

My configuration is 1166 kit, 0.340 webcams, 1150 36mm CV with Stage III, Accel coils, Yoshi 4:1 race pipe, APE springs, APE clutch hub, HP gears/oil pump, top end oiler. I will probably also put on 36 mm (slingshot) CV Flatslides.

As it turns out the 16V heads are very sensitive to valve seat configuration and can make much better flow numbers (and therefore more hp) with some minor machine work. In fact duing the early 80's engineers recognized that minor variations within the factory production tolerances in head work were resulting in observable differences in ET's on otherwise identical stock GS1100E's motors. So a nice balance without going to far, and killing gas mileage too much is:

A.) is to do go 1mm oversize on the intake to 28mm (same as the stock 1150 valves)

B.) If stock valves (1100/1150 23 mm exhaust and 28mm 1150 intake) then get them backcut or buy new stainless steel valves that don't need back cutting.

C.) Get a modern radius cut valve job on your seats using a Serdi

http://www.aperaceparts.com/headwork.html


D.) Minor clean up porting to smooth the area where the seat were opened up for the 28mm valves.

Ray's quote....

Go 1 mm bigger on the intakes & back cut the stock exhaust valves. If you have to buy ALL new valves get the Kibblewhite Black Diamonds. Also, do a RADIUS valve job & blend the guides & you will gain a BUNCH of airflow. Ray.

and more from Terry.....

headsbikesmopars said:
A good bowl job with the radiused valve job and back cut valves will give you a solid piece indeed. Enough to make 150 @ the wheel if you wanted to do that. And with oversize valves you WILL fly, low tens easy. 130 plus.

This will flow about 90-95 cfm v.s. stock 75-78 cfm if I remember my numbers correctly. So you are basically getting the equivalent of stock Gixxer 1100 head performance with your GS1100 head.

Then depending upon the 36mm CV or 36mm Slingshot carbs, the combo above is conservatively between 130-140 hp (v.s. 111 stock), and will be easily capable of having your front wheel off the ground. You will be in the mid 10's quarter mile v.s. mid 11 stock.


Any U guys want to correct my number please let me know. But this is basically the upshot of asking alot of questions from some guys that know. My preference is to take the a low mileage stock head with stock GS1150 intake , stock exhaust ; back cut them as these are all Suzuki parts.


If you go bigger than this on the head, then you will need some really large jets and are starting to get into the 38 mm regime for carbs. Ask Chef he is at 1.5 mm oversize on intake and minor porting. He is a big guy and needs the extra horses. If you are under 220 lbs, then 135 hp is going to fly. Start thinking about suspension upgrades will all that hp as well.


Pos

P.S this is 1100 16V stuff, but probably still applies in general (as to head work) to other 16V and 8V motors.

EDIT Here are Some Summary from numbers comapring a Stock head, to two other proted heads. Mine has 1150 28/23mm backcut valves and Nick's is ported a little more aggressive but with stock 27/23mm backcut valves

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Ray

Ray

Thanks; you were one of the guys I consulted so eveybody else knows.
Jim
P.S. I added your prior post as a quote to the above post.
 
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Great info Pos, getting ready to yank the motor on the 82. Seems it would make the most sense to do engine mods at this time. Kinda on the fence with what I want to do..

Great start to thread!

jw
 
I had an 1166 kit with an 1100 head that had +1mm stainless valves and 325 lift megacycle cams. It ran a best of 10.11 @129(132HP or so). I took those valves and put then into an 1150 head. No porting, but I switched to a set of 348 lift web cams and went 9.77 @135(140HP or so). It only cost me a valve job at a local car engine builder to make the switch + a set of 1150 studs.

The 1166 kit with stock head, stock cams, Mikuni Flatslides, Dragpipe, good ignition made 128 HP. That same motor with stock pistons made 113 HP. All at the rear tire.

I think to guarantee the HP your looking for I would upgrade to some Mikuni flatslides and go with the 1150 head.
 
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Great info Pos, getting ready to yank the motor on the 82. Seems it would make the most sense to do engine mods at this time. Kinda on the fence with what I want to do..

Great start to thread!

jw
Those 1150 carbs are jetted for what you have now. Let me know of your changes and I can help you get the jetting right.
 
Sad part about all this is now you can pick up a hayabusa cheap and with minor tuning mods and no engine work make about 170-175 at the rear wheel. The frame also can handle the HP.

Hard to beat a old GS for drag racing but I made the decision in 1999 they were obsolete as a fast street bike combination.
 
Sad part about all this is now you can pick up a hayabusa cheap and with minor tuning mods and no engine work make about 170-175 at the rear wheel. The frame also can handle the HP.

Hard to beat a old GS for drag racing but I made the decision in 1999 they were obsolete as a fast street bike combination.

I couldn't care less if a Hayabusa, CBR, ZXR or whatever is faster than my GS.
 
I couldn't care less if a Hayabusa, CBR, ZXR or whatever is faster than my GS.

Don't get me wrong I don't either. I had 2 GS1150's at the same time I had hayabusa's. But I have/had chosen not to chase performance mods when engines like the hayabusa are available. Also after getting used to them its so much easier to tune and work on more modern engines. I liked the GS's for what they are. I just rode my cbx last week. Yeap by today's standards its a slug but I like to hear it run.
 
cbxchris

cbxchris

I don't think this is about chasing the modern street bike performance, that is clearly a loosing proposition. This thread is about cheap horsepower gains from head modifications in the context of.

I'm trying to achieve a performance level above a stock 1150 (GS1100E is 109hp (80-82) 111 (83) hp and GS1150 124 hp stock) say 130-135 hp.

Clearly, there are street performance levels attainable today which were unheard of 20 years ago and it comes with little modification to stock rides.

In the bigger picture, for me this is about making an old "fast" bike a little faster and safer when driving moderately illegal speeds. :D I want to be safe at twice the posted speed but not 3 times posted speed :eek:. Get your Hayabusa out if you need that. :confused:

Personally, I never rode a street bike (legally) until the end of 2007. So it is has been a wonderful walk through motorcycle history and racing history for me to explore this early 80's technology. That is why I prefer my 83 GS1100ED and 86 1100 Gixxer to any of the later stuff and am glad I lucked into it. Yes I am adding performance, but most of it is period (pre 93) performance upgrades. I think the most modern thing going on the Gixxer is a early 90 double clicker Fox shock. The GS1100 might get a modern R/R and I don't need to explain why on that. OK yea the most modern rubber I can fit on my wheels.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys enjoy working with the old stuff more then the high production tuned factory stuff. I have no interest in that.

Pos

P.S. This is what is giving me a woody right now.

gsxr_1100_Gb.jpg
 
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Those 1150 carbs are jetted for what you have now. Let me know of your changes and I can help you get the jetting right.

Chef,

Probably gonna leave the engine set up as is for now, Im sure it will be much improved from what I had. Just engine paint for now.

thx
 
I don't think this is about chasing the modern street bike performance, that is clearly a loosing proposition. This thread is about cheap horsepower gains from head modifications in the context of.



Clearly, there are street performance levels attainable today which were unheard of 20 years ago and it comes with little modification to stock rides.

In the bigger picture, for me this is about making an old "fast" bike a little faster and safer when driving moderately illegal speeds. :D I want to be safe at twice the posted speed but not 3 times posted speed :eek:. Get your Hayabusa out if you need that. :confused:

Personally, I never rode a street bike (legally) until the end of 2007. So it is has been a wonderful walk through motorcycle history and racing history for me to explore this early 80's technology. That is why I prefer my 83 GS1100ED and 86 1100 Gixxer to any of the later stuff and am glad I lucked into it. Yes I am adding performance, but most of it is period (pre 93) performance upgrades. I think the most modern thing going on the Gixxer is a early 90 double clicker Fox shock. The GS1100 might get a modern R/R and I don't need to explain why on that. OK yea the most modern rubber I can fit on my wheels.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys enjoy working with the old stuff more then the high production tuned factory stuff. I have no interest in that.

Pos

P.S. This is what is giving me a woody right now.

gsxr_1100_Gb.jpg

Agreed POS,
If you want modern day performance, I don't believe there are enough mods available for GS to make it happpen, we might be able to hang with a few 600's but even if we get close the handling would be way out matched. Dosnt matter to me much, everything about these old machines is pure fun!!!
 
My configuration is 1166 kit, 0.340 webcams, 1150 36mm CV with Stage III, Accel coils, Yoshi 4:1 race pipe, APE springs, APE clutch hub, HP gears/oil pump, top end oiler. I will probably also put on 36 mm (slingshot) CV Flatslides.

Your off to a good start

Add a 1150 head that has strip/street porting and I'd stick a fork in it. You could drop down to a 14 T counter sprocket just to pi$$ off the oem tire :twistedevil:
 
What if

What if

Agreed POS,
If you want modern day performance, I don't believe there are enough mods available for GS to make it happpen, we might be able to hang with a few 600's but even if we get close the handling would be way out matched. Dosnt matter to me much, everything about these old machines is pure fun!!!

If you put a GS seat on a 600, and then call it a GS you can do it ;).

Pos
 
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Pos, Your post got me off my butt to look for some old photos of my head work. I love looking at heads; cars / bikes doesn't matter....

I'll add my results as another data point to your post. My numbers may be a little shy of your objectives:

82 GS1100ez, 1134 Yosh Stage I pistons with Yosh Stage I cams, RS38 Flat slides, Dyna 2000 ignition, street ported head, stock valves, 120 hp.

At the time HMP didn't have a dyno so I had two quick runs done at another shop to dial in the jetting. I think HMP could find a few more ponies in my set up now that they have a dyno in their shop. So I think 130+ hp with 1168 should be realistic.

They left a couple of valves out to let me take these photos but the carb boots had already been cleaned up and mated to the head so I don't have a good pic of the port work.

By the way this is my first time using the sites pic storage capability, seems to work great.

I can't see photobucket photos in posts when I view them at work so this may be a good alternative.
 
No more photo bucket

No more photo bucket

Thats great. I'll have to use it more.

Remember the numbers I'm quoting are not based on any of my own experience just what I have been told. But taking that as read, seems that you small stock intake valve, may be the limiting factor in your setup. Of course 1134 v.s. 1166 makes some difference, by the flow increase achievable with the larger valves and port work is where the increase comes from.

Do you remember any of the specifics of the valve job/head work. Three angle or radius cut? blend the guides ? Talking to Terry there is alot of hp available in the port work. You have plenty of carburetor there with the RS38's:D .

At 120 you probably mean rear wheel as you should have enough there to push you over the top of stock 1150 performance.

Pos
 
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Pos, As you can see this was an older 150 model Dynamometer. The shop was recording air/fuel but didn't record it on the slip which is too bad, they also didn't record torque.

The main change was leaner main jet size. HMP suggested that would be the right direction but didn't want to do it without proof on a dyno.

You can't put too much stock in total HP from one Dyno to another. They are great for checking changes on the same bike. Just the difference in ambient temps that day could effect things.

I checked my receipt and don't have a record of whether it was 3 or 5 angle or radiuss. I'm gonna stop in soon about my spare head so I'll ask what they were using then. I know their current machine is full radiuss. Maybe one of our tuners will know just from looking at pic. The head was decked a small amount to increase compression.

I agree that its possible the RS38s are too much for my set up. They seem to work great though. Would be nice to see numbers with RS36s or VM33s but I hate to mess with a good thing.
 
Hell, I went 9.0s on motor on a 68" nobar katana "street" bike with a 1428cc and a 28.5/24 1100 head. Sprayed it to 8.30s. And... I am 220 + pounds.

With a 31/27 Belluci head went 8.70s on motor and 7.80s on the kit. I took a fewyears off and am going out again this year with a 1500 and the same 31/27 head, looking for 8.50s on muscle. (Took the spray off, the bike was handling weird with 350+hp)

My busa only goes 9.40s

GSs can still run. I know that a busa with a similar setup to mine will run 7s on motor, but so what? a new LS7 vette will smack a 67 435 horse vette too, but I would take the 67.
 
GSs can still run. I know that a busa with a similar setup to mine will run 7s on motor, but so what? a new LS7 vette will smack a 67 435 horse vette too, but I would take the 67.

67 vette ? :o In a heart beat ;).
 
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