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The rusty old scooter.

dorkburger

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The rusty old scooter is about to get some love. My younger son asked if we could fix it up, so I dont want to miss the moment.

But first some history. I've mentioned and shown the scooter here on occasion, but figure I should start the thread with the full story. I've owned this thing for 20 plus years. It was for sale at a house by work. I stopped and looked. I only knew this - it was too cool not to buy. I knew nothing of scooters, scooter marques, or that this thing in front of me was a pretty rare bird. I think I paid $150 for it. It was originally purchased by the sellers father as tranportation when he was in the Virgin Islands, then it was sent to the states where it evidently sat for ages.

I lived with my parents at the time so it ended up there. I quickly and surprisingly easily got it running and would cruise the neighborhood on it. For some reason it next ended up at my bothers place, and then in an old milk shed at his next place. It made the moves unused and undamaged and sat until he needed it out of the shed. This was about 5-6 years ago. It came home.

One evening my older son was looking at it and asked if it runs. I replied that its sat for years, so probably not, but we can try. I dumped some weedwacker premix in and kicked about 30 times. Nothing. I then noted that the fuel line was empty so I took a cue from dad when his snowmobile wouldn't start and blew in the gas tank.... aaah the taste of fuel vapor..... the line filled up. I tickled the carb again put the choke back on and kicked some more. It started and ran. It then became a small obsession.

Since then it has been used occasionally despite no legal papers, 50 year old horribly cracked tires, and a wheelbarrow tube replacing the original in the back tire.

People who know my ramblings here know my love for real deal patina, and this scoot has it for miles, with most of its original or remnants of its badging / decals intact.
The plan is to go thru it mechanically, clean and paint the frame, wheels, replace the tires, if money allows, get the seat redone, and give it a good cleaning. If pressed enough by the family, I could be talked into paiting it, but currently plan to leave the body alone.

Current state pics later on.
 
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A couple more before I wrap up the intro....
I refer to it as the rusty old scooter, but really, its in good shape with only surface rust, and no rot anywhere. I assume it was stored out of the weater, maybe a shed.
I'm also lucky that its mostly complete, and runs good. The engine cover and chain enclosure (picture an old Honda) are in the garage. It turns out that it is quite rare and parts are scarce. That being said, I lucked into a needed switch cluster and some used cables on e bay. I still need a speedometer drive and taillight. I think that they be common Itilian parts several marques used (CEV). I've seen some taillights on e bay that look very similar to what I think I need listed for a Ducati.

The desigers went out of their way to keep the look simple - all cables are hidden. The left lever is the clutch, then twisting the grip changes gears. Right is the front brake as typical. Back when the chopper shows were all the rage on TV, I would laugh when a builder would crow about doing such groundbreaking things as hidden cables...
http://20170806_135711 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr
I need to go thru the wiring as they were damaged by mice and I directly wired the headlight. The new switch cluster has the needed wires. Also, oddly I see no sign of a r/r, just a wireset leaving the engine and going to various switches. If the grips look familiar...... GS1150.
http://20170806_135927 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr

One last overall shot.
http://1965 Raleigh Roma by Glen Brenner, on Flickr
 
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I just increased its value 10 fold. I just need to replace the seat with a piece of upholstered plywood, throw away the removed parts, and put it on CL as a cafe custom brat bobber scooter..... or put 100 mirrors and lights on it and sell it to a Mod.....
I still want to investigate into replacing those shocks with actual shocks. They will need to be coil over types. Those just have slugs of rubber in them to provide a little "give". They dont. Especially 50 years later.

http://20170806_150848 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr

After cleanup.
http://20170806_154403 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr

Thats it for now. Before further disassembly I need to make a detailed wiring diagram to include pictures. Im pretty sure I can't just find a wiring diagram at the drop of a hat if I screw up.
 
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A lot of old Suzuki two strokes didn?t have a voltage regulator. They used a split alternator. Part of the alternator was always used. The lighting coil was switched on when you switched the lights on. They used the battery as the voltage regulator. At high rpms, 16V was considered OK. So you need to use a conventional battery & install the battery vent tube.


Your scooter might have a similar setup. It might run without a battery, but doing so could burn out the lights.


Good luck with your project.
 
I have no idea... it does have a switched headlight, but no battery, no ignition switch. It's turned off by a pushbutton kill switch. Good news is that it all seems to work.
 
Magneto ignition, everything run on AC, likely 6Vish. Very common on mopeds here in Europe, though a few more modern models now use 12V, partially DC.

I don't think you'll need much time to draw a wiring diagram.
 
Interesting about the electrical system, thanks all. Yes, the wiring diagram will be simple. Few wires and a couple of junction blocks. Knowing myself though, I want to have it on paper. Ive goofed myself many times at work, but generally have a diagram to refer to. On this I dont - yet.
 
I remember this scooter catching my eye a few years ago when you posted a picture of your GS. Very cool scoot! I would love to restore one, but it will be easier to just watch you do it!
 
I have to admit I'm a closet scooter person. I'd love to have a vintage Vespa, or a newer one for that matter. They really hold there value (for some reason). However, I'd probably look goofy riding one... There's a young lady in my town that rides a Vespa scooter, she looks cute as a button riding it. Decked out with all the cool scooter gear. ☺
 
Thanks all for checking in. Rich, clearly this wont be nearly as nice as one of your gorgeous restos...

Roeme, yes, 6v as noted by you.
http://20170807_203713 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr

I started going thru the wiring. Very simple until the switch cluster. I began checking / comparing clusters and their switches, checking for continuity to determine what does what. I'm having trouble and suspect dirt in the switches. I held my breath and disassembled the 50 year old part. It opened up with no flying or falling parts.
The new cluster, despite bearing the same p/n and looking the same, has an extra wire and its terminals are laid out a bit different. I wonder if its a US market / Euro market subelty. The replacement came from a Wards Riverside (US market) scoot. I quit before waning patience caused me to do dumb things...

Clusters. The crusty one on the right missing the horn button is original. I have no clue what the bottom switch is for.
http://20170807_211856 by Glen Brenner, on Flickr
 
Very simple until the switch cluster. I began checking / comparing clusters and their switches, checking for continuity to determine what does what. I'm having trouble and suspect dirt in the switches (...)I have no clue what the bottom switch is for.

How many positions do the switches have? If it's two each, then it could be lights on/off, and high/low beam select. If it's three and two, my bet would be "lights off/parking/on" and "high/low beam".

Though, come to think of it, you surely would've found that one out by yourself through trial and error...unless one of the filaments has burned out and hence one can't discern high/low beam? :-k

That, or the thing had indicators at some point...?
 
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